The Big 12 expansion groundswell

[Surfah]

I was thinking of last year's "give us what we want or we might bolt to the PAC-16" drama. I have no other examples.

I think it was more of Texas telling the Pac 10 to give them what they want or they're staying.

[TripletDaddy]

I was thinking of last year's "give us what we want or we might bolt to the PAC-16" drama. I have no other examples.

Right, and i can see that. It is a fair example. I agree with surfah. That was simply flexing at the most opportune moment.

That Texas calls all shots is a myth. Listen to the Texans on this board..."they will be sorry if the Texas legislature gets involved.."...."Texas won't allow this or that to happen...." etc.

And after all that sound and fury, what happened? aTm is meeting ahead of the legislature, anyway and t.u. stuck in a conference on the verge of implosion. Hardly the position of someone calling all the shots. I think it is a reality check for everyone in Texas. aTm is going to still be little brother in the SEC and t.u. is desperate to hold the remnants together so it can properly house its other sports.

Anyhow, to your original question, I just don't think BYU can let the shadow of Texas or Oklahoma factor into this. That is assuming BYU is even on the table, of course.

[Flystripper]

I think it was more of Texas telling the Pac 10 to give them what they want or they're staying.

That is how I remember it but I could be wrong. I stopped paying attention once I knew BYU was not included in anything other than independence.

[LA Ute]

Anyhow, to your original question, I just don't think BYU can let the shadow of Texas or Oklahoma factor into this. That is assuming BYU is even on the table, of course.

Agreed.

[DU Ute]

Of everything in this thread that sounds like the biggest glimpse of hope for BYU. Does ESPN have enough juice to force the B12 to invite BYU before A&M bolts? Does ESPN have enough juice to force BYU to accept the invite?

It will take a lot more than ESPN can muster for BYU to go back on their word to the WCC.

[LiveCoug]

It will take a lot more than ESPN can muster for BYU to go back on their word to the WCC.

LOL.

[TripletDaddy]

LOL.

Some of us believe that!

[myboynoah]

Other than forming its own network, I don't really see Texas doing more than a lot of gum flapping. The plan to showcase HS games was shot down quickly. And BYU already has it's own network so Texas isn't in the business of telling other schools to not do such.

What else has Texas done to impose its will? I realize that this is a popular recent meme, but almost always proferred by Texas fans (sips) or insecure Aggie. Texas is the alpha in that conference, followed by Oklahoma. That is the reality. It can't factor into the decision because it is the same reality in all BCS conferences with th possible exception of the Big East, which has no real football alpha.

If anything, texas willingness to allow BYU to keep its network is a plus, not a negative.

Yeah, this is how I see it. Alpha dogs exist and the other dogs deal with it. Our key desire for freedom to broadcast via BYU-TV is allowed in the B12-2, so Texas' influence would work to our benefit.

[Shaka]

It will take a lot more than ESPN can muster for BYU to go back on their word to the WCC.

BYU doesn't have to go back on their word. My understanding is that there is language built into the contracts with the WCC and ESPN that allows them to switch to a BCS conference if invited.

WCC knew ahead of time what the score is.

[BlueHair]

The SEC decided not to extend an offer to aTm.

[Flystripper]

The SEC decided not to extend an offer to aTm.

until A&M leaves the big 12...

[falafel]

The SEC decided not to extend an offer to aTm.

Blue Hair with another scoop!

[TripletDaddy]

The SEC decided not to extend an offer to aTm.

lol.

BlueHair, you are killing me. Seriously. Very funny stuff.

[SteelBlue]

BYUDeepthrowt tweeted today for first time in a long time. Compared BYU fans who want to join big 12 to Lot's wife. I really hope he isn't somebody important. I have a deep fear that this is the prevailing attitude of those who matter (with no evidence to support that fear thankfully).

[byu71]

BYUDeepthrowt tweeted today for first time in a long time. Compared BYU fans who want to join big 12 to Lot's wife. I really hope he isn't somebody important. I have a deep fear that this is the prevailing attitude of those who matter (with no evidence to support that fear thankfully).

I think some BYU fans truly believe in the end the "true" church will prevail. Therefor given enough time, we will replace ND as the super independent.

Everyone will clamor to play us on our turf.

I also believe those who are most adamant about staying independent either watch the games on TV or buy the $15 tickets.