My take on Bronco/Manti/etc.

[Brian]

There are members currently on the team that have multiple HC violations, so there is no "zero-tolerance" policy.

Actually, if one of those players had been kicked of the team for their past transgressions, then maybe the Manti weekend doesn't go as badly as it does.

Ok, a continuation of the post-Lavell/Crowton HC policy.

[Goatnapper'96]

Ok, a continuation of the post-Lavell/Crowton HC policy.

With the added twist of being able to catch monkey's because the monkey's think he is a monkey.

[Hazzard]

I think Bronco is much more like LaVell in matters of the Honor Code than he publicly lets on. There are undoubtedly still Bob Davis/Jim McMahon-style HC violations going on with the football team, but Bronco deals with them very privately and then (obviously) puts a bigger smiley gospel face on the program than LaVell ever did. If LaVell was coming of age in the Internet era, when news of HC incidents travels the globe in 2.5 seconds, he probably would have been quoting Alma and Mormon, too.

Bronco, as a very smart man, is playing it exactly as he should. If he gives out a lax vibe, he faces the wrath of the mullahs. If he gives out a strict vibe, he faces the wrath of the fans who want national titles. So he gives out the strict vibe, but likely isn't as strict as he lets on.

[Hazzard]

Do you think that somewhere at Dixie State Ken Schmidt is laughing or crying that he was fired for his "vanilla" defense, which looks like Bubble Gum ice cream with butterscotch topping compared to last years BYU D.

Amen.

[Hazzard]

Lavell had the right balance of football and religion. GC lacked the religion. Bronco lacked the football and focuses more on religion and recruits selling him on why they want to come to byu.

Lavell was and is still, the man.

If Bronco focuses so much more on religion than football, why did he go 11-2, 11-2, and 10-3 in the past three years? God truly does answer the humble petitions of His servants!

[Goatnapper'96]

I think Bronco is much more like LaVell in matters of the Honor Code than he publicly lets on. There are undoubtedly still Bob Davis/Jim McMahon-style HC violations going on with the football team, but Bronco deals with them very privately and then (obviously) puts a bigger smiley gospel face on the program than LaVell ever did. If LaVell was coming of age in the Internet era, when news of HC incidents travels the globe in 2.5 seconds, he probably would have been quoting Alma and Mormon, too.

Bronco, as a very smart man, is playing it exactly as he should. If he gives out a lax vibe, he faces the wrath of the mullahs. If he gives out a strict vibe, he faces the wrath of the fans who want national titles. So he gives out the strict vibe, but likely isn't as strict as he lets on.

This sounds a lot like somebody else I know from around 2005........I really don't see another way to better leverage BYU football for success over the long haul.

I will say one thing however, if one is going to make the religious uniqueness of BYU its selling point the one recruiting weekend when you bring in all of your big guns is probably close to zero defect. The past faux pas was a leadership breakdown, IMO.

[Hazzard]

The difference is that Utah has now made great strides to catch up.

This is true. If Utah still sucked like it did for many (most? some?) of LaVell's glory years, BYU fans would be in a joyful frenzy right now. But pride, my friends, comes in the comparison.

[Goatnapper'96]

This is true. If Utah still sucked like it did for many (most? some?) of LaVell's glory years, BYU fans would be in a joyful frenzy right now. But pride, my friends, comes in the comparison.

Chilly shadows tend to cloud one's ability to think clearly. I am glad to know that people are coming to recognize eternal truths I have been preaching for a long time.

1.) Mendenhall is probably leveraging BYU in a way that will make it as good as it can be.

2.) This 3 year run is as good as what Lavell brought in his glory years.

3.) Utah's great run this year is making people silly with envy and stupidity.

I am also considering preaching a 4th eternal truth that perhaps BYU will be more consistent than Utah as it has more of a program, in that coaches want to stay and it has a recruiting core, but Utah has a higher ceiling for trully great years. That will be what damns BYU into making silly decisions, the envy of not achieving Utah's higher highs. It is a bane to BYU to have pussies like Exie in the fold.

[SeattleUte]

Chilly shadows tend to cloud one's ability to think clearly. I am glad to know that people are coming to recognize eternal truths I have been preaching for a long time.

1.) Mendenhall is probably leveraging BYU in a way that will make it as good as it can be.

2.) This 3 year run is as good as what Lavell brought in his glory years.

3.) Utah's great run this year is making people silly with envy and stupidity.

I am also considering preaching a 4th eternal truth that perhaps BYU will be more consistent than Utah as it has more of a program, in that coaches want to stay and it has a recruiting core, but Utah has a higher ceiling for trully great years. That will be what damns BYU into making silly decisions, the envy of not achieving Utah's higher highs. It is a bane to BYU to have pussies like Exie in the fold.

Mike Waters is reporting that every single BYU commit is LDS. Wow. Just wow. Pathetic. That would be enough reason not to go to BYU if you were LDS. Diversity is a good thing, particularly in college. BYU's glass ceiling is due to its parochialism, including its refusal to come to tersm with its racist past.

I think your point about consistency is nonsense because you don't have a sufficient data base to support that assertion. Pick any great coach on the national scene and see how many have winning percentage greater than Whittingham's. Unlike Bronco the guy has had to do a monumental rebuilding job, has had some awful luck with injuries, really hasn't yet been blessed with a very naturally talented qb, and he's alsways been competitive, always had a winning season, and won every bowl game, including a couple of real dandies. He's been progressing to 13-0. The arc of his career is impressive. Compare it to Saban's or Urban Meyer's. It's really no different.

[cougjunkie]

Mike Waters is reporting that every single BYU commit is LDS. Wow. Just wow. Pathetic. That would be enough reason not to go to BYU if you were LDS. Diversity is a good thing, particularly in college. BYU's glass ceiling is due to its parochialism, including its refusal to come to tersm with its racist past.

I think your point about consistency is nonsense because you don't have a sufficient data base to support that assertion. Pick any great coach on the national scene and see how many have winning percentage greater than Whittingham's. Unlike Bronco the guy has had to do a monumental rebuilding job, has had some awful luck with injuries, really hasn't yet been blessed with a very naturally talented qb, and he's alsways been competitive, always had a winning season, and won every bowl game, including a couple of real dandies. He's been progressing to 13-0. The arc of his career is impressive. Compare it to Saban's or Urban Meyer's. It's really no different.

Mikewaters is wrong.

[ERCougar]

Pick any great coach on the national scene and see how many have winning percentage greater than Whittingham's.

Bronco Mendenhall.


SU, you're killing me these last few weeks. You talk to us about having enough data points, yet you're using one season to show KW is the best coach in college football. Your posts just scream "one season bandwagon fan".

[Goatnapper'96]

Mike Waters is reporting that every single BYU commit is LDS. Wow. Just wow. Pathetic. That would be enough reason not to go to BYU if you were LDS. Diversity is a good thing, particularly in college. BYU's glass ceiling is due to its parochialism, including its refusal to come to tersm with its racist past.

I think your point about consistency is nonsense because you don't have a sufficient data base to support that assertion. Pick any great coach on the national scene and see how many have winning percentage greater than Whittingham's. Unlike Bronco the guy has had to do a monumental rebuilding job, has had some awful luck with injuries, really hasn't yet been blessed with a very naturally talented qb, and he's alsways been competitive, always had a winning season, and won every bowl game, including a couple of real dandies. He's been progressing to 13-0. The arc of his career is impressive. Compare it to Saban's or Urban Meyer's. It's really no different.

Neither you nor Mike Waters know of which you speak.

Could you breakdown for me in detail how Whittingham's rebuilding after 2004 was any greater than Mendenhall's after 2006? Or you could just publicly admit you don't know what you are talking about.

[Goatnapper'96]

Mike Waters is reporting that every single BYU commit is LDS. Wow. Just wow. Pathetic. That would be enough reason not to go to BYU if you were LDS. Diversity is a good thing, particularly in college. BYU's glass ceiling is due to its parochialism, including its refusal to come to tersm with its racist past.

I think your point about consistency is nonsense because you don't have a sufficient data base to support that assertion. Pick any great coach on the national scene and see how many have winning percentage greater than Whittingham's. Unlike Bronco the guy has had to do a monumental rebuilding job, has had some awful luck with injuries, really hasn't yet been blessed with a very naturally talented qb, and he's alsways been competitive, always had a winning season, and won every bowl game, including a couple of real dandies. He's been progressing to 13-0. The arc of his career is impressive. Compare it to Saban's or Urban Meyer's. It's really no different.

One thing clear is that Whittingham does a better job in big games than Mendenhall. I will give the man that over Mendenhall.

[Hazzard]

I am also considering preaching a 4th eternal truth that perhaps BYU will be more consistent than Utah as it has more of a program, in that coaches want to stay and it has a recruiting core, but Utah has a higher ceiling for trully great years.

Feel free to add the 4th eternal truth.

[SeattleUte]

Feel free to add the 4th eternal truth.

He has not added it because Utah just signed their coach to a five year deal and its 2009 recruiting class is shaping up stronger than BYU's.