Using your retrospectrometer and looking back to 2003, which non-AQ team would you predict to be the first to go to a BCS game? I'm pretty sure Utah was not at the top of that list either.
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I can't argue with that. This is all about prognosticating based on what we do know going forward. Hell for all we know it's another team out of the MWC not on that list.Originally posted by hostile View PostUsing your retrospectrometer and looking back to 2003, which non-AQ team would you predict to be the first to go to a BCS game? I'm pretty sure Utah was not at the top of that list either."It's true that everything happens for a reason. Just remember that sometimes that reason is that you did something really, really, stupid."
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What makes you think that the BCS will ever allow the MWC into it's little club?Originally posted by FMCoug View PostMy point is who is in ultimately the better position long-term. BYU in an increasingly competitive MWC on its way to an auto-bid (even without Utah IMO) or Utah in the PAC-10 having to contend with SC, Oregon, UCLA, et al.
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Actually I think this conference expansion stuff is all about that. It would not surprise me in the least to see TCU, BYU, BSU all in BCS conferences (in addition to Utah) within the next few years. Give the overachieving "mid-majors" a seat at the table and you don't have to upset the entire apple cart.Originally posted by il Padrino Ute View PostWhat makes you think that the BCS will ever allow the MWC into it's little club?"It's true that everything happens for a reason. Just remember that sometimes that reason is that you did something really, really, stupid."
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I can agree that those "overachieving" teams would get an invite to a BCS conference before the BCS would ever allow the MWC (or any other conference) to sit at the table with them. They like the disparity they've tried to create.Originally posted by FMCoug View PostActually I think this conference expansion stuff is all about that. It would not surprise me in the least to see TCU, BYU, BSU all in BCS conferences (in addition to Utah) within the next few years. Give the overachieving "mid-majors" a seat at the table and you don't have to upset the entire apple cart."Socialism is a philosophy of failure, the creed of ignorance and the gospel of envy; its inherent virtue is the equal sharing of misery." - Winston Churchill
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Is Moore going to redshirt this year? Because I'm pretty sure he's a junior.Originally posted by DrumNFeather View PostBoise has the best shot of the 4 with Kellen Moore in 2011 and 2012. TCU graduates Dalton and will be breaking in a new QB in 2011. Presumably Heaps will be a 2nd year starter, so if Boise has to go to Provo that could be tough.Col. Klink: "Staff officers are so clever."
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Boise St: strong program that will have a 4-year starter at QB in 2011.
TCU: until they stop producing running backs and reloading on D, they'll be great.
Utah: experienced team with quality starting QB. depends on their PAC division in 2011.
BYU: not an insult to them, but the three teams ahead of them have proven their ability to achieve BCS games.
I'd also like to state that Utah isn't receiving enough credit in this thread because they'll be in the AQ conference. Utah could play in the Rose Bowl with a 10-3 record, while the MWC champ could go 10-2 and end up in the Vegas Bowl. I think an 11-1 MWC champ would be BCS-bound, depending on what happens with a Fresno St or Houston."I don't know the origin of said bitch booming."-Art Vandelay
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I'm guessing Boise heads back again in the next couple of years. I think BYU will make it before Utah does. I don't think Utah should keep BYU on the schedule.
One thing to consider about the Rose Bowl, though, is that Utah will have the P12 tiebreaker working in its favor. If several teams finish tied for first with two losses, the one that's been the longest out of the Rose Bowl gets to go. That team, I'm guessing, would be Utah.
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Wouldn't they count eligibility from when they joined the conference?Originally posted by Babs View PostI'm guessing Boise heads back again in the next couple of years. I think BYU will make it before Utah does. I don't think Utah should keep BYU on the schedule.
One thing to consider about the Rose Bowl, though, is that Utah will have the P12 tiebreaker working in its favor. If several teams finish tied for first with two losses, the one that's been the longest out of the Rose Bowl gets to go. That team, I'm guessing, would be Utah."Nobody listens to Turtle."-Turtlesigpic
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except in that situation they will play a championship game and the winner will get to go to the Rose Bowl.Originally posted by Babs View PostI'm guessing Boise heads back again in the next couple of years. I think BYU will make it before Utah does. I don't think Utah should keep BYU on the schedule.
One thing to consider about the Rose Bowl, though, is that Utah will have the P12 tiebreaker working in its favor. If several teams finish tied for first with two losses, the one that's been the longest out of the Rose Bowl gets to go. That team, I'm guessing, would be Utah."Be a philosopher. A man can compromise to gain a point. It has become apparent that a man can, within limits, follow his inclinations within the arms of the Church if he does so discreetly." - The Walking Drum
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Looks like they amended that, anyway. Now it says the team higher ranked in the BCS goes. If there's still a tie, then the teams "that have represented the conference in the Rose Bowl most recently" are eliminated from consideration.Originally posted by Surfah View PostWouldn't they count eligibility from when they joined the conference?
ha! that was the whole point, wasn't it? lol.Originally posted by Mormon Red Death View Postexcept in that situation they will play a championship game and the winner will get to go to the Rose Bowl.
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Sorry I didnt realize you were talking about a scenario like the little 12 south where Oklahoma played in the champ game.Originally posted by Babs View PostLooks like they amended that, anyway. Now it says the team higher ranked in the BCS goes. If there's still a tie, then the teams "that have represented the conference in the Rose Bowl most recently" are eliminated from consideration.
ha! that was the whole point, wasn't it? lol."Be a philosopher. A man can compromise to gain a point. It has become apparent that a man can, within limits, follow his inclinations within the arms of the Church if he does so discreetly." - The Walking Drum
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You're not even in the Pac 10 officially yet and you're calling the Big 12 the little 12? Conference smack? I bet at RES the fans are going to be doing Pac 12 chants like you hear in the SEC. LOL.Originally posted by Mormon Red Death View PostSorry I didnt realize you were talking about a scenario like the little 12 south where Oklahoma played in the champ game.
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