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So now that it looks like the Big-12 will stay intact and that Utah is headed to the PAC-12, what are BYU's chances of going to the Big-12? Right now the conference is talking about downgrading to a 10 team conference. But will that notion last? Is this being floated out there to entice the ten remaining to stay? At some point do they want to return to 12 teams?
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I think it lasts until they can find 2 teams that they want and that want them. Maybe Arkansas and BYU? I dunno but I think that the Big 12 will stay at 10 for a while if they can. They will not rush to add 2 schools.Originally posted by USU Coug View PostDyslexics are teople poo... -
It sounds like Texas has been getting some major concessions as far as being able to set up its own TV network. If that's the case, the new Big 12 would not have the same incentive as the Big 10 to expand; in other words, more teams does not necessarily mean more money to the individual teams. There are a certain number of reasons why a conference expands: 1) Expand the conference with a highly competitive programs which will raise the collective profile of the conference; 2) Add a big market which increases the money coming into the conference; and/or 3) Add a team to get to 12, so they can have a championship game.
If Utah ends up in the Pac 10, then the Big 12 will be watching to see what happens with the TV contract. As I said in the other thread, Utah doesn't really help the Pac 10's negotiations, at least not to the extent that it justifies the Pac 10 adding two more mouths to feed. Utah has been competitive in football, but it's not at the level of the ACC adding Miami and V-Tech back in 2004. Now that Colorado has joined the Pac 10, Utah will very possibly get the invite because it makes zero sense to have an 11 team conference unless you added an 11th team that is at the level of a Penn State. Colorado is most definitely not at that level.Part of it is based on academic grounds. Among major conferences, the Pac-10 is the best academically, largely because of Stanford, Cal and UCLA. “Colorado is on a par with Oregon,” he said. “Utah isn’t even in the picture.”Comment
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I'm not sure why Arkansas ever enters into the discussion regarding schools coming into the Big 12. Arkansas will not in a million years leave the SEC. Sure they care about tradition, but why would they leave a conference like the SEC (the strongest competitively and the second strongest financially) for a conference that would be dissolved if one of three teams ever decided to bolt (Texas, aTm and Oklahoma)?Originally posted by Flystripper View Post
With that said (and ignoring the Sunday play issue for the sake of argument), BYU would be extremely attractive to the Big 12. It's a superior program to Colorado and it would firmly put the Big 12 in the Rocky Mountain region, probably better so than it was with Colorado. Since Nebraska had to leave too, the only question is who else to bring on board. The Big 12, like the Pac 10, will have problems finding another team. I actually think Air Force would be the frontrunner over New Mexico or Colorado State. Air Force draws about 38k fans (only 8k less than Colorado and about 14k more than New Mexico and CSU). Also, Air Force is an excellent academic institution. Finally, the armed forces all over the world pick up the games played by the military academies (and these soldiers overseas have limited options as far as American TV broadcasting goes), so there is a somewhat small benefit to that.Part of it is based on academic grounds. Among major conferences, the Pac-10 is the best academically, largely because of Stanford, Cal and UCLA. “Colorado is on a par with Oregon,” he said. “Utah isn’t even in the picture.”Comment
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We're not a must-have for anybody. We're there if they decide they want to create two divisions and go to a championship game.Originally posted by USU Coug View PostComment
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Which the media leads me to believe is not liked by Mack Brown or Bob Stoops. These guys get their say in this 11th hour and they don't have a championship game (at first at least).Originally posted by jay santos View PostComment
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yeah that is why I put a question mark in there. Arkansas has been mentioned in speculation articles but I don't see it either. AF is probably the other potential candidate but BYU AF does not make anyone drool.Originally posted by Color Me Badd Fan View PostDyslexics are teople poo...Comment
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There has been all this clamoring about the Pac and the Big 10 wanting to get to 12 for a championship game, but the TV money is the driver. One game generates $10M max on the generous side, which is < $1M per team. We're talking revenue distributions of $20M for some teams in some leagues.Originally posted by USU Coug View PostComment
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They have nothing to gain by heading west to play little brother to a lesser conference with another risky championship game.Originally posted by USU Coug View PostComment
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It absolutely does not. At the end of the day, I think a lot of this will be sourced back to Texas's discontent with the TV contract with ABC/ESPN. That contract was lol hilarious when compared to what both the SEC and ACC got. They wanted out of it and probably were somewhat serious about going to the Pac 10 to do just that. ESPN was staring down the barrel of losing the Big 12, so it sound like they may be making some concessions.Originally posted by Flystripper View Post
But losing Nebraska is horrible for the Big 12 and Texas. The only way the Big 12 was ever going to be regarded on the same level as the SEC was if Nebraska rose to its former glory and there are some indications that may be happening right now. If they could have kept Nebraska in the mix and replaced Colorado with BYU, it would have been a minor overall improvement to the Big 12.Part of it is based on academic grounds. Among major conferences, the Pac-10 is the best academically, largely because of Stanford, Cal and UCLA. “Colorado is on a par with Oregon,” he said. “Utah isn’t even in the picture.”Comment
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BTW, I could see the Big 12 pluck a Big East team like Louisville or Cincinnati and in fact I see that as more likely than Air Force. It doesn't make a ton of geographic sense, but Kentucky at least borders Missouri. It probably makes more geographic sense than adding BYU. Louisville at one time a few years ago was a pretty good football team. It's also a bigger metropolitan area than people think.Part of it is based on academic grounds. Among major conferences, the Pac-10 is the best academically, largely because of Stanford, Cal and UCLA. “Colorado is on a par with Oregon,” he said. “Utah isn’t even in the picture.”Comment
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NCAA should step in and provide some regulation and governance.
Imagine the NFL if each division was a separate financial entity with separate TV contracts and endless stealing back and forth of teams.Comment
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Kinda like how Colorado and Utah doesn't make anyone drool?Originally posted by Flystripper View PostComment
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It does indeed seem like Texas, OU and aTm have stepped away from the cliff. But you'd have to think they would want to expand back to 12 pretty soon. Would staying the same conference with BYU have any influence on Utah if the choice came down to the Pac 10 without BYU and the Big 12 with BYU? I know the Pac 10 is a greener academic pasture than the Big 12, so I'm doubtful that the Big 12 could land Utah.
I am going to be surprised if the Big 12 doesn't add two more teams. I would like to have Utah and BYU go together to the Big 12 for no other reason that it would be a joy to see the Pac 10 stuck at 11 after only being able to add the Big 12's castoff to their conference. The Pac 10 would officially be out of decent options and would be forced to lower itself to some program like UNLV, CSU or New Mexico.Part of it is based on academic grounds. Among major conferences, the Pac-10 is the best academically, largely because of Stanford, Cal and UCLA. “Colorado is on a par with Oregon,” he said. “Utah isn’t even in the picture.”Comment
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I'm not sure understand what you're saying. Do you mean that each game played by each team in the conference makes $10M? So for example adding two teams and accounting for the fact that most of their games are conference means approximately an extra $150M for the conference? If that's the case, does that mean that the extra revenue would offset the cost of dividing the pie into two extra pieces?Originally posted by jay santos View Post
I guess I don't understand why one conference wants to expand to 12 and the other prefers to stay at 10. Does it come down to the differences in TV deals between the two conferences?Comment
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