BYU's lone "national championship" tainted?

[SeattleUte]

SU, perhaps you can be the first to make a case for a more deserving '84 National Champ than BYU. After 25 years, I have yet to hear a compelling argument for any other school.

I want you to know I'm hoping Utah can improve its football and basketball fortunes soon, perhaps rising as high as second place in either sport, if only to relieve you of all the bile you have to keep choking back whilst looking up at BYU of late. You seem doomed to serve as the sports equivalent of the slave who stands on the back of the commander's chariot, whispering in his master's ear that "All glory is fleeting." We know that. But it's fun to enjoy in the present.

It's not about that. BYU never played any real teams. But BYU didn't look dominant even agaisnt the bad teams it played. BYU's achievement wasn't even as big as Murray State basketball's this year.

I'm now instituting a policy agaisnt arguing this further. It's worthy of prolonged debate, like some other subjects I eschew.

[Commando]

I'm now instituting a policy agaisnt arguing this further.

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Thanks for your concession.

[SeattleUte]

On THAT, we can agree.



Right, because winning the Sugar Bowl is better than winning the national championship.

Beating a Alabama team that had proven itself on the gridiron in the Sugar Bowl to cap an undefeated season is better than beating a bad Michigan team in the Holiday Bowl. I don't care what labels you put on it. Besides, Utah's wins are more recent, when the system is more equitable, players are stronger, etc. It's just a more sterling achievement no matter how you look at it.

[PaloAltoCougar]

It's not about that. BYU never played any real teams. But BYU didn't look dominant even agaisnt the bad teams it played. BYU's achievement wasn't even as big as Murray State basketball's this year.

I'm now instituting a policy agaisnt arguing this further. It's worthy of prolonged debate, like some other subjects I eschew.

As you can't make a case for a more deserving winner, I, too, shall consider the matter closed.

[All-American]

It's not about that. BYU never played any real teams. But BYU didn't look dominant even agaisnt the bad teams it played. BYU's achievement wasn't even as big as Murray State basketball's this year.

I'm now instituting a policy agaisnt arguing this further. It's worthy of prolonged debate, like some other subjects I eschew.

That sounds like a white flag to me. It's probably wise of you to surrender against such overwhelming odds. At this point, you're only diminishing the diminisher.

[All-American]

Beating a Alabama team that had proven itself on the gridiron in the Sugar Bowl to cap an undefeated season is better than beating a bad Michigan team in the Holiday Bowl. I don't care what labels you put on it. Besides, Utah's wins are more recent, when the system is more equitable, players are stronger, etc. It's just a more sterling achievement no matter how you look at it.

YOU may not care what labels WE put on it, but I would certainly care about what labels the Associated Press puts on it. #1 is an awfully nice label.

[SeattleUte]

That sounds like a white flag to me. It's probably wise of you to surrender against such overwhelming odds. At this point, you're only diminishing the diminisher.

lol it was just a rhyming game. It's a played out debate.

[SeattleUte]

YOU may not care what labels WE put on it, but I would certainly care about what labels the Associated Press puts on it. #1 is an awfully nice label.

ELO chess said we're no. 1. How do you think chess picks the champion of the world? I'd rather have the ELO chess no. 1 ranking.

[Commando]

Besides, Utah's wins are more recent, when the system is more equitable

yowza.. I think a 10-run rule should come into play here. Now it's just getting sad.

[All-American]

lol it was just a rhyming game. It's a played out debate.

Apology accepted.

[Shaka]

All this thread tells me is that Junkie's trolling worked.

Bravo Junkie, Bravo!

[All-American]

ELO chess said we're no. 1. How do you think chess picks the champion of the world? I'd rather have the ELO chess no. 1 ranking.

They should hang a banner next to the "We're No. 2" banner: "But we were number 1 if you use the formula they use for chess champions!! That's WAY better than a consensus national championship!!"

[TripletDaddy]

The logic of BYU's 1984 "national championship" is much simpler: they were the consensus #1 at the end of the year and we have a big shiny crystal football to prove it.

Technically, I think it is a big shiny metal football to prove it. I don't think there was a crystal football back in 84.

At any rate, it was definitely the result of a consensus vote. The consensus of college coaches agree with us. As a non-coach, SeattleUte's opinion on this matter is evidently on par with tooblue's non-coach basketball analysis of the BYU/K State game.

[TripletDaddy]

ELO chess said we're no. 1. How do you think chess picks the champion of the world? I'd rather have the ELO chess no. 1 ranking.

Congratulations to the Utah Utes, who can now be mentioned in the same breath as these other past champions:

[DU Ute]

Congratulations to the Utah Utes, who can now be mentioned in the same breath as these other past champions:

I can't stop laughing. That picture of Deep Blue is bad ass, I don't want to mess with that box.