Bronco axed Kona. CB is going crazy.

[Hot Lunch]

It's pretty damn simple here HotLunch, before you say you don't like how Bronco is doing something, why not first have some specfics of what Bronco actually did before objecting to it?

I don't have to be Mr. Insider to recognize you appear to be talking out of ignorance on this issue. I'm more than willing to revise my assessment of your position if you can provide more details than what you've coughed up so far.

Is Apo not having a mutual agreement with another school enough evidence for you? What more do you really need to know than that. That is all the evidence you need. If you want more, Joe Kruger was at a couple of BYU games on the sideline before a couple of games. Someone was talking to him and giving him tickets.

Like I said, it is ok for Apo and Bronco to do this because it benefits BYU. But let's crucify the kid when it doesn't favor BYU. Think of Ben Olsen and all the missionaries that came to BYU after committing to another school before they left as other examples.

Think what you will about my so called ignorance on this subject or my stand on this. I know what I know and I will leave it at that.

You obviously think you know exactly what has happened on the recruiting trail for BYU and I say bullshit to that. You can think what you want and I am fine with it. Keep reading what you read on TBS. They are as blue as the come over there and don't post anything that would be objective to BYU.

Like I said before, I see where Bronco is coming from on this. I just don't agree with it. If you can't accept that people can have other opinions about something this then Go To Hell!

[Hot Lunch]

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I am okay with this. On both ends. I am not mad at Kona, and I do agree he should have listened. I am not mad at Bronco, he had to make a play. Especially if there was someone he wanted that he had to tell no to.

I am not mad at Bronco either. I don't care anymore. I am just saying I don't agree with it. Bronco did what he thought was best for him and his program.

[byu71]

Apparently Bronco is not concerned about Apo's ability to live the BYU Honor Code, as evidenced by his inability to keep his word to Texas.

LOL, when you hold yourself and your University out to be the standard bearer of virute and integrity, some people don't understand that because of having the truth, you don't have to follow the same guidelines you propose for others.

[Coach McGuirk]

I don't care anymore.

Boo!

[Hot Lunch]

Bronco can draw up the rules however he wants. If he states that the conditions for BYU offering a scholarship is that a recruit in turn will not take official recruiting trips to other schools, and the recruit agrees to the terms, then that is the agreement.

You are right. It is his program and he can put the rules of the game in place. We all don't have to agree with what he does.

Some people can't handle when other don't agree with Bronco.

[byu71]

Since you know exactly what happened in that recruiting situation why don't you fill us in mr. insider.

Give up. You can never convince Indy a coach at BYU did something wrong. Were you around in the last days of Crowton???

[Hot Lunch]

Give up. You can never convince Indy a coach at BYU did something wrong. Were you around in the last days of Crowton???

I wasn't around during the Crowton days. I watched from a far and laughed during that time period. When I say watched, I didn't look at message boards. Sometimes I wish I would have never found them.

[TripletDaddy]

As for whether something like a verbal committment is legally enforceable or not is besides the point. Bronco can draw up the rules however he wants. If he states that the conditions for BYU offering a scholarship is that a recruit in turn will not take official recruiting trips to other schools, and the recruit agrees to the terms, then that is the agreement.

The triggering event is the athlete verbally committing to BYU, not the mere offer of a scholarship, and agreeing to the terms of the agreement spelled out by Bronco.

Legal? These aren't legal issues. I am talking about in the landscape of college football...verbals are not enforceable. A kid can still visit and often does, even after committing elsewhere. Bronco's tactic is the low-road and very thin-skinned.

Nobody is disputing that Bronco "can" do what he did. The issue is whether it is weak and insecure to threaten to pull the scholarship if the kid does visit elsewhere.

i think it is. You disagree. No worries.

I am still confused about the "triggering event" language. To accept a scholarship offer prior to LOI Day is to "trigger" what, exactly? The agreement is non-binding. If you are simply pointing out that Kona is agreeing to lose his scholarship if he visits elsewhere, well nobody is disputing that, either.

[TripletDaddy]

Give up. You can never convince Indy a coach at BYU did something wrong. Were you around in the last days of Crowton???

I am amused by Indy's appeal to contract law ("triggering event?"), only to later claim that the legality of the agreement is beside the point. Every now and then Indy gets excited and starts using terms that are outside of his actuarial wheelhouse. lol.

[byu71]

I wasn't around during the Crowton days. I watched from a far and laughed during that time period. When I say watched, I didn't look at message boards. Sometimes I wish I would have never found them.

Come on you dont' mean that. If you had been around you could have seen one of the best defenses of coach going down in flames in your lifetime. Indy even had me convinced. I was the second to last guy off the boat.

[Hot Lunch]

Come on you dont' mean that. If you had been around you could have seen one of the best defenses of coach going down in flames in your lifetime. Indy even had me convinced. I was the second to last guy off the boat.

LOL. You just made Indy's opinion move a few notches in my book.

[cougjunkie]

I am sticking by my stance that Bronco saw the kid wavering, decided that he was going to try and make a power play because he new that if ND had the last word he would lose the kid for sure. It did not work but in the mean time he is alright with it not working because now he sets a precedent for all future recruits.

Also I would not be shocked if after his ND trip, Schwenke and Bronco come to some sort of agreement and we still see him in Cougar Blue. (Not likely but possible)

[Coach McGuirk]

Sometimes I wish I would have never found them.

Once again, BOO! The internal anguish you are heaping upon me is unbearable!

[jay santos]

Kids can commit, decommit, take trips, commit, take more trips, commit again, decommit again. They can do whatever the hell they want. Are kids who commit and decommit flaky or dishonest? Maybe, maybe not. We're talking about 18 year old prima donas here. And we're not recruiting judges or future general authorities or nuclear physicists. We need guys who will run 30 mph at other people and crush them with their shoulder pads. It doesn't matter if they are a little flaky.

Beyond this, it's all negotiation. If you're dealing with a two star recruit from American Fork, you have the negotiating leverage. Tell what you want. He has to recruit you. He has to convince you we need him. He has to fill out a Book of Mormon reading chart, whatever. If you're dealing with a 4 star recruit who's being courted by Notre Dame or USC or UCLA or whatever, then the kid has the negotiating leverage. You kiss his ass, you tell him what he wants to hear. You tell him the scholarship is there whenever he wants it.

That's how it's done. If the top schools in the nation are being held hostage by a recruit, than damn straight Bronco better bend down and do what it takes to get the kid to sign. Rough him up once he gets in camp, not before.

[Surfah]

I see where Bronco is coming from but I just can't agree with him on this.

There is one more thing that may or may not have been discussed about already that really makes me disagree with how Bronco is handling this. If it has been discussed sorry but I missed it and am pointing it out now.

Bronco is mad at Kona and telling him that he has given him word. He is telling him that if he takes the trip you don't have a schollie with us. However, Bronco has recruited 2 players that we know of that have given their word to other universities. Ross Apo commited to Texas and BYU still recruited him and won and everyone loves that and Joe Kruger has been recruited by BYU and has already given his word to Utah.

Think of it this way:

If you have a girlfriend can you keep guys from hitting on her? No. But if your girlfriend decides she wants to go on a date or two with these other guys then there is a problem with you and your girlfriend, no? Are you going to let your girlfriend go out on these dates? Are you insecure or small-time if you put your foot down and say if you want to go on a date with these other guys we're through?

Now if I hit on your girlfriend and she's dazzled and wants to hook up, well that problem is between you and your girl. Not me. You may hate me and want to kick my ass after school, but I am not the issue. Your girl and her commitment to you is.