Bronco axed Kona. CB is going crazy.

[Indy Coug]

I don't know what he has or hasn't done and neither do you.

I don't buy your timing thing. He said it to a kid back in May. The NCAA has given school up until a certain time to recruit an athlete. I suggest Bronco use all the time the NCAA has given him. It looks like other schools are and BYU is hurting because of it.

Like I said, he is asking kids not to do what he has done in the past. Bronco is wrong on this one.

Said what to a kid back in May?

[Indy Coug]

So let me ask again, is it o.k for Bronco to recruit a kid that already has a mutual agreement with another school?

Give me a specific example with the specific dates involved.

[Hot Lunch]

Give me a specific example with the specific dates involved.

Ross Apo had a mutual agreement with Texas. Do you really need anything else?

[Hot Lunch]

Said what to a kid back in May?

He said the same thing to Timothy that he said to Kona back in April or May.

[Blueintheface]

Ross Apo had a mutual agreement with Texas. Do you really need anything else?

Were handshakes exchanged? Winks given?

[Indy Coug]

Ross Apo had a mutual agreement with Texas. Do you really need anything else?

Tell me specifically what BYU did to recruit Apo between his verbal to Texas and his press conference with Heaps and Stout. Heaps certainly continued to recruit him, but Bronco has no control over that.

[Hot Lunch]

Were handshakes exchanged? Winks given?

My guess is Ross had his fingers crossed with is left hand behind his back.

[Hot Lunch]

Tell me specifically what BYU did to recruit Apo between his verbal to Texas and his press conference with Heaps. Heaps certainly recruited him, but Bronco has no control over that.

Since you know exactly what happened in that recruiting situation why don't you fill us in mr. insider.

[LA Ute]

When I think back to what I was like at age 18 I am glad I never had to undergo the kind of pressure elite high school athletes face in the recruiting arena. I don't know that I would have handled it well.

[Indy Coug]

Since you know exactly what happened in that recruiting situation why don't you fill us in mr. insider.

It's pretty damn simple here HotLunch, before you say you don't like how Bronco is doing something, why not first have some specfics of what Bronco actually did before objecting to it?

I don't have to be Mr. Insider to recognize you appear to be talking out of ignorance on this issue. I'm more than willing to revise my assessment of your position if you can provide more details than what you've coughed up so far.

[TripletDaddy]

That is patently false. They are encouraged to look elsewhere prior to making a committment, even if BYU has already offered them. The triggering event isn't the offer, it's the mutual committment between recruit and school.

triggering event? are you talking about contracts? please expound.

Are you suggesting that a verbal commitment is binding in college football recruiting?

[Indy Coug]

triggering event? are you talking about contracts? please expound.

Are you suggesting that a verbal commitment is binding in college football recruiting?

The statement you made that I objected to is that you claimed BYU refused to allow recruits to look around once BYU OFFERED them. An offer from BYU is not a verbal commitment, and there are multiple media accounts, should you feel interested enough to do some research, where recruits stated that Bronco encouraged them to look elsewhere prior to committing.

[TripletDaddy]

The statement you made that I objected to is that you claimed BYU refused to allow recruits to look around once BYU OFFERED them. An offer from BYU is not a verbal commitment, and there are multiple media accounts, should you feel interested enough to do some research where recruits stated that Bronco encouraged them to look elsewhere prior to committing.

where did I say this? even after the kid commits he can still look elsewhere. the verbal is not binding.

prior to or after the verbal commit/acceptance....these are non-binding commitments. In truth, they are not really commitments. They are more like commitments to commit in the future. If bronco offers and the kid accepts and then Bronco subsequently tells the kid that he can't look elsewhere without losing the scholarship, Bronco is asking the kid to give up his right to look elsewhere.

so again, what do you mean by "triggering event?" what is being triggered?

[Coach McGuirk]

So let me ask again, is it o.k for Bronco to recruit a kid that already has a mutual agreement with another school?

Yes it is. and Yes it is okay for the kid to go. I agree with you on that Bronco should schedule the last visit for the weekend right before the dead period. I think in this case, Bronco saw that Kona would most likely end up somewhere else if he is shopping, probably stated that he couldn't hold the scholarship if he was shopping as they were out but still had some guys that wanted to come. Kona wants both, Bronco needs to choose.

I am okay with this. On both ends. I am not mad at Kona, and I do agree he should have listened. I am not mad at Bronco, he had to make a play. Especially if there was someone he wanted that he had to tell no to.

[Indy Coug]

where did I say this? even after the kid commits he can still look elsewhere. the verbal is not binding.

prior to or after the verbal commit/acceptance....these are non-binding commitments. In truth, they are not really commitments. They are more like commitments to commit in the future. If bronco offers and the kid accepts and then Bronco subsequently tells the kid that he can't look elsewhere without losing the scholarship, Bronco is asking the kid to give up his right to look elsewhere.

so again, what do you mean by "triggering event?" what is being triggered?

Bronco is basically asking recruits to give up their ability to seek out the best deal for them simply because BYU offered them first.

As for whether something like a verbal committment is legally enforceable or not is besides the point. Bronco can draw up the rules however he wants. If he states that the conditions for BYU offering a scholarship is that a recruit in turn will not take official recruiting trips to other schools, and the recruit agrees to the terms, then that is the agreement.

The triggering event is the athlete verbally committing to BYU, not the mere offer of a scholarship, and agreeing to the terms of the agreement spelled out by Bronco.