Bronco axed Kona. CB is going crazy.

[Indy Coug]

BYU is what it is: a great place to hook up with a hot LDS chick. There is no shame in that purpose. There are a lot of very smart students at BYU and the entrance requirements are pretty darn high, high enough to be comparable to other very high-profile universities, but that doesn't necessarily correlate to an across-the-board high level of undergraduate (let alone graduate) programs.

As a BYU student, I was underwhelmed with the quality of teaching on a number of different fronts. I went to a private HS and the quality of teaching was consistently better there than at BYU.

[byu71]

BYU is what it is: a great place to hook up with a LDS chick or a hot LDS chick at UVU. There is no shame in that purpose. There are a lot of very smart students at BYU and the entrance requirements are pretty darn high, high enough to be comparable to other very high-profile universities, but that doesn't necessarily correlate to an across-the-board high level of undergraduate (let alone graduate) programs.

As a BYU student, I was underwhelmed with the quality of teaching on a number of different fronts. I went to a private HS and the quality of teaching was consistently better there than at BYU.

I think you are speaking of days gone by. I have made a correction to more accurately reflect current conditions.

[RobinFinderson]

BYU fans are such insecure assholes!

This is a really jerky thing to say, SU. People struggle with insecurity to the point that they need meds. The last thing they need is some rich lawyer telling them they are assholes.

[LA Ute]

BYU is hard to get into because lots of kids want to go there because it is the Church's university. Not because it is academically elite. Still, I think it is a very solid undergraduate institution and its business school is top-notch. Every lawyer I know who is a BYU law grad is a very solid attorney too.

[Indy Coug]

SU calling someone an asshole is just about the highest form of validation you can get. The only thing higher than that is a "well done, thou good and faithful servant" pat on the head.

[smokymountainrain]

It would appear that if this is true, and you have a pretty damn good track record, then between Teo, Heimuli and Kona, Bronco has proven he has no idea how to recruit high profile players.

If what CJ said is true, it is truly a shame how Bronco has chosen to handle this situation. He comes off as a big time POS.

[Indy Coug]

If what CJ said is true, it is truly a shame how Bronco has chosen to handle this situation. He comes off as a big time POS.

Listen, if Bronco explains up front what a committment to BYU entails (and he does) and the recruits agrees to those conditions, I don't know how anyone can fault Bronco for actually following through. Frankly, for Kona and father to do this at 11:59PM on the recruiting clock has them coming off as big time POS.

[LA Ute]

Listen, if Bronco explains up front what a committment to BYU entails (and he does) and the recruits agrees to those conditions, I don't know how anyone can fault Bronco for actually following through. Frankly, for Kona and father to do this at 11:59PM on the recruiting clock has them coming off as big time POS.

[smokymountainrain]

Listen, if Bronco explains up front what a committment to BYU entails (and he does) and the recruits agrees to those conditions, I don't know how anyone can fault Bronco for actually following through. Frankly, for Kona and father to do this at 11:59PM on the recruiting clock has them coming off as big time POS.

So Bronco explained prior to Kona's commit that by committing, he couldn't accept any invites to other universities to visit buddies? I guess I missed that part of the story.

Based on what I'm reading, it seems Bronco told Kona about this after he had committed to BYU and after ND had invited him out and after he'd decided to go to South Bend.

[Goatnapper'96]

What an interesting turn of events.

Well there goes my prediction of cooler heads prevailing. I know nothing about this situation but it is my opinion that there is likely more to the story than we can read. I assume this simply because it is my opinion that Bronco wants to win games. I give him the benefit of the doubt that he knows it is easier to win games with better football players. Hence, I conclude that given his druthers and all things being equal he would prefer more talented athletes than less talented athletes. At some point he made a decision that he no longer preferred this athlete. The young kid going on a recruiting trip, in and of itself, doesn't strike my common sense as a reason to no longer prefer the more talented athlete over the less talented athlete. I reject the notions of Bronco being a moron so I am left to conclude there is more to the story than I am presently being told. However, if the story is as simple as the Schwenke's profess, then Bronco made a boo-boo.

Can I say, for the millionth time, that I am always skeptical of he that prays and God tells him to go and play football at BYU? Personal revelation is the ultimate crutch in LDS culture. If you want anything claim God told you and there NOTHING anyone can say in the opposite.

[Surfah]

If what CJ said is true, it is truly a shame how Bronco has chosen to handle this situation. He comes off as a big time POS.

How so? You think Bronco is the only coach who says he'll yank a player's schollie if they start tripping after they've committed?

Bronco did nothing wrong. If Kona is 100% committed then why trip to ND? To hang out with friends?

[Indy Coug]

So Bronco explained prior to Kona's commit that by committing, he couldn't accept any invites to other universities to visit buddies? I guess I missed that part of the story.

Based on what I'm reading, it seems Bronco told Kona about this after he had committed to BYU and after ND had invited him out and after he'd decided to go to South Bend.

If the sole reason for his trip was just to visit his buddies, would he really allow that to cost him a scholarship? Do you really believe that for a second? McKay's comments to the ND recruiting site makes it clear they viewed it as much more than a social visit.

There's a lot more going on behind the scenes.

[HBCoug]

So Bronco explained prior to Kona's commit that by committing, he couldn't accept any invites to other universities to visit buddies? I guess I missed that part of the story.

Based on what I'm reading, it seems Bronco told Kona about this after he had committed to BYU and after ND had invited him out and after he'd decided to go to South Bend.

It's not just visiting buddies @ Notre Dame. He has already planned trips to Washington and Purdue aside from the trip to South Bend. The kid was jerking BYU around and Bronco called him on it. I guess it's important for some to differentiate between who dumped whom first, but either way I'm guessing Indy's claim of BYU having the 12th best D-Line recruiting class without Heimuli is no longer intact.

[Indy Coug]

...either way I'm guessing Indy's claim of BYU having the 12th best D-Line recruiting class without Heimuli is no longer intact.

That claim was Scout.com, not mine.

[Goatnapper'96]

If what CJ said is true, it is truly a shame how Bronco has chosen to handle this situation. He comes off as a big time POS.

I don't think one can conclude Bronco is a POS. If it happened the way the Schwenke's claim, which I highly doubt but if one isn't a fan of Mendenhall or feels the trollish impulse to stand independent of the mindless swath of mormon culture Bronco worshipping dipshitaye then taking their side is attractive and convenient (not that I would ever in my life assume you like to oppose/criticize Bronco because of the mindless masses who adore him -trully that thought would never enter my brain), then one can conclude Bronco made a dumb tactical error and he probably is not the man I would want representing my interests in a business negotiation, but there is nothing he did here that would qualify him as a POS.

Likewise, I cannot find anything in the Schwenke's did to make them POS' either. Recruiting is an interesting game with many factors stacked against a 17 or 18 year old kid. Nothing wrong with taking advantage of the positions of strength until the last moment. I can't fault the kid even if there was a double pinkie handshake and sacrifice jointly offered to the great gods of the word "commitment."