Does Florida make a run at Whittingham?

[il Padrino Ute]

If you use THAT measuring stick, perhaps. If you use a different one (say, national championships, heismans, or athletes for whom trophies given to the nation's best quarterback are named), TCU come out on top.

At any rate, it should be clear enough that TCU had a sparkling era of success many, many years ago, while Utah had nothing of the sort at any time before Meyer.

Measuring by national championships, heismans, and trophies named for former players, one could say that TCU has more tradition than BYU.

[HuskyFreeNorthwest]

Gary, dipshit.

Boo. I just gave you major love in another thread, then you can't take some gentle poking when you misspeak?

[All-American]

Measuring by national championships, heismans, and trophies named for former players, one could say that TCU has more tradition than BYU.

Yes, you could.

[Viking]

Yes, you could.

Not so fast! TCU doesn't *technically* have any national championships as its sole #1 finish in the AP occurred before a nat champ was officially recognized. Semantics, but still the case.

It has one Heisman winner (as does BYU)

The trophies-named-for-players standard is pretty silly. By that measure, Brown Univ should be revered as a college football institution (Heisman). Don't think so.

The easiest way to measure is win/loss, historically. BYU beats TCU, Utah beats TCU, Utah beats BYU, which should be no surprise as BYU toiled in obscurity for 72 years of the 20th century.

[All-American]

Not so fast! TCU doesn't *technically* have any national championships as its sole #1 finish in the AP occurred before a nat champ was officially recognized. Semantics, but still the case.

It has one Heisman winner (as does BYU)

The trophies-named-for-players standard is pretty silly. By that measure, Brown Univ should be revered as a college football institution (Heisman). Don't think so.

The easiest way to measure is win/loss, historically. BYU beats TCU, Utah beats TCU, Utah beats BYU, which should be no surprise as BYU toiled in obscurity for 72 years of the 20th century.

Not so fast! You're talking about the year 1936. Please see the year 1938, in which TCU was voted #1 by . . . drumroll, please . . . the Associated Press.

I shouldn't have to lecture you on why a cumulative record of over seventy years can't offer a complete or accurate picture on a team's history. An especially bad era would otherwise obscure a great era. It is sufficient to note that there was a time where TCU was one of the nation's premier teams. Utah has nothing to compare to that.

The "trophy" standard may not show much, but it shows something, which is more than nothing. For that, I give Brown University, NYU (whose Ed Smith is the player depicted on the Heisman), and the University of Chicago (whose Jay Berwanger won the first Heisman) an edge over pre-Meyer Utah in football tradition, having been at some point in time remotely relevant in the national landscape of college football.

[SeattleUte]

Boo. I just gave you major love in another thread, then you can't take some gentle poking when you misspeak?

Dipshit is a huge term of endearment.

[il Padrino Ute]

Dipshit is a huge term of endearment.

This is true. SU is always calling me that and I know he likes me.

[BlueHair]

Who cares about tradition? The only thing that matters is that TCU is better than Utah right now. Utah was better than TCU last year, so Patterson is the better coach. TCU got better, Utah got worse.