Does Florida make a run at Whittingham?

[Viking]

How is Sammy Baugh these days? Or davey O'brien? Anybody check on them recently?

Sammy Baugh? The guy played almost 100 years ago. O'Brien was pre WWii, no? That's sort of like saying Utah State as a rich tradition because Merlin Olsen played for them and a kid named Kevin plays WR in the NFL.

I grew up in Dallas. TCU was the laughingstock...when they were sanctioned in the 1980s, everyone wondered whether TCU should be allowed to pay players since they sucked so much. I remember when they went to a bowl game in the late 1980s (i think) and that, too, was a joke. I think it had been 20 years since they had gone to a bowl and I don't think they made it back to one for some time after (8 years or so?)...so 2 bowls in almost 30 years. Hmmm

Two players does not a tradition make.

[SeattleUte]

I'm not sure I agree. Pre-Patterson, TCU was a backwards, bible-thumping no cred school in a backwater town known for not much more than its odd people. There is no football tradition at TCU.

Utah, though sharing all of the afore mentioned characteristics (sans bible thumping), actually had a reasonable football history.

To take TCU to the BCS is a far greater accomplishment than meyer taking Utah and later Whit taking Meyer's recruits.

That's not correct. He replaced Dennis Franchione, who was successful enough to be hired away from TCU by Alabama. Moreover, if you go back in time, TCU has a much richer football history than Utah. TCU is also located in Texas. I don't know what Franchione left behind, but Whit had to rebuild. I doubt Patterson finishes ranked no. 2 this year. Maybe, but I doubt it. He also hasn't beaten as many good teams as Utah did last year, and won't have after the Fiesta Bowl come what may. This team hasn't come as far as Utah did in 2008. Their winning percentages are identical. 73+%

[All-American]

Sammy Baugh? The guy played almost 100 years ago. O'Brien was pre WWii, no? That's sort of like saying Utah State as a rich tradition because Merlin Olsen played for them and a kid named Kevin plays WR in the NFL.

I grew up in Dallas. TCU was the laughingstock...when they were sanctioned in the 1980s, everyone wondered whether TCU should be allowed to pay players since they sucked so much. I remember when they went to a bowl game in the late 1980s (i think) and that, too, was a joke. I think it had been 20 years since they had gone to a bowl and I don't think they made it back to one for some time after (8 years or so?)...so 2 bowls in almost 30 years. Hmmm

Two players does not a tradition make.

How's about two letters, then: L T.

[Surfah]

That's not correct. He replaced Dennis Franchione, who was successful enough to be hired away from TCU by Alabama. Moreover, if you go back in time, TCU has a much richer football history than Utah. TCU is also located in Texas. I don't know what Franchione left behind, but Whit had to rebuild. I doubt Patterson finishes ranked no. 2 this year. Maybe, but I doubt it. He also hasn't beaten as many good teams as Utah did last year, and won't have after the Fiesta Bowl come what may. This team hasn't come as far as Utah did in 2008. Their winning percentages are identical. 73+%

I just about fell out of my seat. Also, doesn't TCU have a NC or two in it's trophy display?

[Viking]

How's about two letters, then: L T.

Played one year under Patterson, no?

[SeattleUte]

You misquoted J-dawg just now. Also, not cool hating on fat people.

Katy said that you need some savoir-faire to coach at a place like Florida. I agree. Why do you think Majerus was never offered by a true top tier school? Mentioning Patterson's obesity was fair game.

[Viking]

That's not correct. He replaced Dennis Franchione, who was successful enough to be hired away from TCU by Alabama. Moreover, if you go back in time, TCU has a much richer football history than Utah. TCU is also located in Texas. I don't know what Franchione left behind, but Whit had to rebuild. I doubt Patterson finishes ranked no. 2 this year. Maybe, but I doubt it. He also hasn't beaten as many good teams as Utah did last year, and won't have after the Fiesta Bowl come what may. This team hasn't come as far as Utah did in 2008. Their winning percentages are identical. 73+%

Franchione was there for two years. Whit had to rebuild? Are you out of your Vulcan fucking mind? Whit took over for Meyer who is one of the best recruiters in history!!!

OK, maybe I'm wrong. TCU has a richer history than Utah, by your admission. Good Lord, I can sleep with a smile on my face!

[SeattleUte]

I just about fell out of my seat. Also, doesn't TCU have a NC or two in it's trophy display?

I've never claimed Utah has a long football tradition. On the contrary. On the other hand, BYU's is pretty much ancient history.

[Surfah]

I've never claimed Utah has a long football tradition. On the contrary. On the other hand, BYU's is pretty much ancient history.

LOL. You crack me up. Merry Christmas!

[SeattleUte]

Franchione was there for two years. Whit had to rebuild? Are you out of your Vulcan fucking mind? Whit took over for Meyer who is one of the best recruiters in history!!!

OK, maybe I'm wrong. TCU has a richer history than Utah, by your admission. Good Lord, I can sleep with a smile on my face!

All you have to do is look at the recruiting lists to see if Whit inherited a pile of talent from Meyer (they're on the Internet). He didn't. He's recruiting a lot better now than Meyer ever did, per the lists. Moreover, 2008 was mostly two-star players, including Johnson. You're making this up as you go, aren't you.

EDIT: Anyone could recruit well at Florida.

[All-American]

Played one year under Patterson, no?

Nope. He had just finished his senior year.

[Viking]

Franchione was there for two years. Whit had to rebuild? Are you out of your Vulcan fucking mind? Whit took over for Meyer who is one of the best recruiters in history!!!

OK, maybe I'm wrong. TCU has a richer history than Utah, by your admission. Good Lord, I can sleep with a smile on my face!

North Texas State is located 40 minutes from the DFW metroplex and I think I could suit up for them and start at the tender age of 36 coming in at 5'11" and 175 lbs. Seriously, the TCU tradition is similar to the Baylor tradition: armpit of Texas (and I guess, stronger than Utah tradition).

[Viking]

All you have to do is look at the recruiting lists to see if Whit inherited a pile of talent from Meyer (they're on the Internet). He didn't. He's recruiting a lot better now than Meyer ever did, per the lists. Moreover, 2008 was mostly two-star players, including Johnson. You're making this up as you go, aren't you.

EDIT: Anyone could recruit well at Florida.

Seattle, I'll go easy on you b/c I like your brother so much: you're wrong on this one.

[All-American]

Seattle, I'll go easy on you b/c I like your brother so much: you're wrong on this one.

You're right. On the one hand, you have a team who had little to no success before hiring a flash in the pan coach who led their team to two great seasons, thanks to the first overall pick of the next year's draft, and who then ditched that team for the SEC.

On the other hand, you have a team who had little to no success before hiring a flash in the pan coach who led their team to two great seasons, thanks to the first overall pick of the next year's draft, and who then ditched that team for the SEC.

TOTALLY different.

[SeattleUte]

North Texas State is located 40 minutes from the DFW metroplex and I think I could suit up for them and start at the tender age of 36 coming in at 5'11" and 175 lbs. Seriously, the TCU tradition is similar to the Baylor tradition: armpit of Texas (and I guess, stronger than Utah tradition).

What made you think Utah had such a respectable tradition? It didn't win the WAC title outright in 40 years. It hardly played in a bowl before Ron McBride, and we all know he was a flawed coach who did not win an outright conference title and wound up fired (but 2004 was accomplished with his recruits, NOT Urban Meyer's). Before 1994 its claim to fame was the "big" Liberty Bowl win behind Lee Grosscup.

Kyle Whittingham built a national program in Utah, starting with a team that was pretty wiped out.