SU's lovefest with KWhitt

[SeattleUte]

While I agree that right now Kyle stock is higher, you are still showing your ignorance by talking about Mendenhall inheriting a better stocked team. Remember Bronco inherited a team coming off of 3 straight losing seasons and a program in shambles. In two years he had them at 11-2. The next season he lost a 5th year senior qb (like BJ), the schools all time leading rusher, 4 of the top 5 receivers from the previous year, and several other key players yet he still went 11-2 again. This past year they only returned 3 defensive starters and went 10-3. Bronco is doing a solid job, but I am not sure if he can get this team over the hump and to a BCS game. That is the difference between the two right now. But Bronco has built a good program.

I agree Bronco is doing a solid job. I think ER vastly underestimates what KW has achieved and its significance. It's not on the same planet as solid job.

I think Mendenhall was fortunate to inherit a very strong quarterback and good skill players. He was really fortunate to get Unga and Hall, who seem to have been great talents. Have they improved much? Look at BJ's arc. He of course inherited Collie.

[cougjunkie]

People will remember it because of its uniqueness--non-BCS team beats BCS powerhouse in a BCS game, and that doesn't happen very often. Same reason people remember BSU over OU. Does BSU hold a solid recruiting advantage over everyone because of it? Over the rest of the WAC, sure. Over BYU/Utah/TCU, nope.

This game will not be remembered the same way BSU over OU is remembered. BSU vs OU is a historic game because of the way it ended, Utah vs Alabama was not dramatic at all. BSU vs OU is still the bench mark for non bcs team wins.

[cougjunkie]

I agree Bronco is doing a solid job. I think ER vastly underestimates what KW has achieved and its significance. It's not on the same planet as solid job.

I think Mendenhall was fortunate to inherit a very strong quarterback and good skill players. He was really fortunate to get Unga and Hall, who seem to have been great talents. Have they improved much? Look at BJ's arc. He of course inherited Collie.

If it wasnt for Kyles reaction to Ungas fake commitment, Kyle would have Harvey right now. Then again I dont think he makes that same mistake now.

[ERCougar]

I agree Bronco is doing a solid job. I think ER vastly underestimates what KW has achieved and its significance. It's not on the same planet as solid job.

I think Mendenhall was fortunate to inherit a very strong quarterback and good skill players. He was really fortunate to get Unga and Hall, who seem to have been great talents. Have they improved much? Look at BJ's arc. He of course inherited Collie.

I don't underestimate what Kyle's done. I'm just pointing out how a few bounces suddenly turns a coach from good to legend in some eyes.

Mendenhall and KW have both proven to be solid coaches. Let time tell which one is better.

[SeattleUte]

People will remember it because of its uniqueness--non-BCS team beats BCS powerhouse in a BCS game, and that doesn't happen very often. Same reason people remember BSU over OU. Does BSU hold a solid recruiting advantage over everyone because of it? Over the rest of the WAC, sure. Over BYU/Utah/TCU, nope.

You are also underestimating Kyle's success before this year. He has beaten or played BYU to the limit every time. He has won at TCU. He won all his bowls and went to a bowl game every year. He won 60+ percent of his games, including several decent BCS teams like UCLA and Louisville. He has done a solid job even as he rebuilt the team including the coaching staff and dealt with some very bad luck with injuries. You act like this year was a fluke, when in retrospect you could see Kyle building toward it.

[ERCougar]

This game will not be remembered the same way BSU over OU is remembered. BSU vs OU is a historic game because of the way it ended, Utah vs Alabama was not dramatic at all. BSU vs OU is still the bench mark for non bcs team wins.

Minor point, but I have to disagree. I think that most people recall that game as BSU beating OU pretty thoroughly through the game, with OU coming back to take a lead, and BSU winning on a trick play. Still a dominating performance by BSU.

Anyway, BSU over OU was just as significant, if not more, than Utah over Alabama.

[Donuthole]

You are also underestimating Kyle's success before this year. He has beaten or played BYU to the limit every time. He has won at TCU. He won all his bowls. He won 60+ percent of his games, including several decent BCS teams like UCLA and Louisville. He has done a solid job even as he rebuilt the team including the coaching staff and dealt with some very bad luck with injuries. You act like this year was a fluke, when in retrospect you could see Kyle building toward it.

If you can't admit that there were some fluky things about this season, then you're not even worth arguing with. For starters, how has Kyle done in the years when he hasn't had TCU and BYU at home?

[ERCougar]

You are also underestimating Kyle's success before this year. He has beaten or played BYU to the limit every time. He has won at TCU. He won all his bowls and went to a bowl game every year. He won 60+ percent of his games, including several decent BCS teams like UCLA and Louisville. He has done a solid job even as he rebuilt the team including the coaching staff and dealt with some very bad luck with injuries. You act like this year was a fluke, when in retrospect you could see Kyle building toward it.

He also lost to UNLV badly, and has seemed to do something similar every year except this one. That is not a small point. Bronco has been incredibly consistent--KW hasn't, yet. Like I said, if he matches Bronco from here on out, then he proves he's learned consistency. All I'm saying is that we need to wait and see.

[SeattleUte]

This game will not be remembered the same way BSU over OU is remembered. BSU vs OU is a historic game because of the way it ended, Utah vs Alabama was not dramatic at all. BSU vs OU is still the bench mark for non bcs team wins.

Utah's domination on both sides of the ball in a hostile stadium of a team that was more respected by far than was Oklahoma in 2006-07 will be most remembered. As I read yesterday, Boise resorted to "sandlot tactics" to win. THAT game looked a bit like a fluke. Utah just creamed Alabama, a team stocked with five star recruits and NFLers, and with the highest paid coach in football who has an NC, that went 12-0 in the SEC regular season and played FL to the limit.

[ERCougar]

As I read yesterday, Boise resorted to "sandlot tactics" to win. THAT game looked a bit like a fluke.

Did you watch that game?

[cougjunkie]

Utah's domination on both sides of the ball in a hostile stadium of a team that was more respected by far than was Oklahoma in 2006-07 will be most remembered. As I read yesterday, Boise resorted to "sandlot tactics" to win. THAT game looked a bit like a fluke. Utah just creamed Alabama, a team stocked with five star recruits and NFLers, and with the highest paid coach in football who has an NC, that went 12-0 in the SEC regular season and played FL to the limit.

Yep and even with all that, the statue of liberty, hook and ladder and marriage proposal will be remembered by many more for much longer.

[Jeff Lebowski]

As I read yesterday, Boise resorted to "sandlot tactics" to win. THAT game looked a bit like a fluke.

Huh? "As I read yesterday"? Do you mean you were not even aware of that game until yesterday?

[SeattleUte]

He also lost to UNLV badly, and has seemed to do something similar every year except this one. That is not a small point. Bronco has been incredibly consistent--KW hasn't, yet. Like I said, if he matches Bronco from here on out, then he proves he's learned consistency. All I'm saying is that we need to wait and see.

UNLV. LOL. He's 21-1 since UNLV, beating some real teams too.

[cougjunkie]

Minor point, but I have to disagree. I think that most people recall that game as BSU beating OU pretty thoroughly through the game, with OU coming back to take a lead, and BSU winning on a trick play. Still a dominating performance by BSU.

Anyway, BSU over OU was just as significant, if not more, than Utah over Alabama.

I understand Boise was dominating, and then Zabransky had back to back ints including a pick 6. But 10-15 years from now, nobody will remember that, all they will remember is the hook and ladder, the statue of liberty play and the marriage proposal. Nobody will remember any other specifics except for die hard sports fans. The Utah game will be remembered as a nice win for Utah. But not nearly as noteworthy as Boises win.

[SeattleUte]

Huh? "As I read yesterday"? Do you mean you were not even aware of that game until yesterday?

Of course I was. I was quoting a big-time writer's contrast of it to Utah's utter domination of Alabama.