Mad Max stops to ask Sly

[LA Ute]

The problem is that most Utah fans have been Utah fans since 2004 so they don't know that it has always been bitter. Utah fans are experiencing it for the first time.

Oh, come on. Some, sure. "Most?"

[Jarid in Cedar]

The rivalry has not become bitter. It has always been bitter. I grew up in the 80s & 90s and saw some ugly stuff back then too.

The problem is that most Utah fans have been Utah fans since 2004 so they don't know that it has always been bitter. Utah fans are experiencing it for the first time.

I don't know about that. I attended every rivalry game from 1995 to 2002. There was always plenty of banter, but for a couple of intense people, the interactions and dialogue was civil and fun. It is degrading, but I think it has as much to do with the rise of the internet as any other factor.

[Moliere]

Oh, come on. Some, sure. "Most?"

I took a quick poll of Ute fans and it came out as "most." However I threw away my raw data so you'll just have to trust me.

[Jarid in Cedar]

I took a quick poll of Ute fans and it came out as "most." However I threw away my raw data so you'll just have to trust me.

The raw data was corrupted by bias anyway

[Flattop]

The rivalry has not become bitter. It has always been bitter. I grew up in the 80s & 90s and saw some ugly stuff back then too.

The problem is that most Utah fans have been Utah fans since 2004 so they don't know that it has always been bitter. Utah fans are experiencing it for the first time.

I've been a Utah fan for at least 30 years. I grew up on Utah basketball with my earliest memories being of Jeff Judkins hitting shots from the corner and Buster Mathaney dunking. I have been following Utah football since 1985.

[Jeff Lebowski]

I've been a Utah fan for at least 30 years. I grew up on Utah basketball with my earliest memories being of Jeff Judkins hitting shots from the corner and Buster Mathaney dunking. I have been following Utah football since 1985.

Then your long-term memory must be shot. Or mine is.

[Flattop]

Then your long-term memory must be shot. Or mine is.

My earliest Utah basketball memories.

[Shaka]

I have been going to the BYU Utah games since 1982. I was fortunate my dad's employer had season tickets right in the middle of the Crimson Clubbers which we would take when BYU played up at Rice. I've personally witnessed all the behaviour cliches associated with this rivarly multiple times.

I can state that the rivalry has been a bitter one all the way back to when I started attending the games. In fact it seems to me that it has become less bitter with age. I also noticed a difference when they quit selling alcohol up at RES. Yes, there is still plenty of booze smuggled in but as a whole there is not as much as there used to be.

[Flattop]

Don't get me wrong, I'm not suggesting that everything was peaches and cream until recently. I have witnessed some less than fun aspects of the rivalry in the last 20 years, like the snowball games in 1992 and 1994.

I remember BYU fans saying they were better because they didn't throw snowballs in 1993. But it's kind of difficult to shoot when you don't have any ammunition, and there wasn't any snow in 93. That wasn't a problem in 1995 when BYU fans threw cups and plastic water bottles at the Utah Cheerleaders.

Still, I thought the cheerleader-BYU fan brawl of 1999 was an isolated incident. After the last two games it is beginning to seem like the norm.

Maybe it was where I was sitting in all those rivalry games at Rice and Rice Eccles. I recall one year as I walked up the aisle on my way out that I finally did see a drunk at a game. He was clearly smashed, but he was only one guy and there wasn't any fuss going on around him.

I do recall a rather annoying BYU fan in 1986, but nobody harassed her or anything. One person politely asked her to desist in the 4th quarter and she patronizingly said it must be hard to lose. At which point the only sharp words I have ever heard spoken to a BYU fan in the old Rice Stadium or the new RES, escaped my lips. I shot back "how would you know?!" At least it shut her up.

I vaguely remember a commotion over in the visitor fan section in 1998 as one drunk Ute fan got into it with a relative of a BYU player. Again, I thought it was just an isolated incident. I wasn't in that section, but I think I saw that some commotion was going on and then later read about it in the paper.

[LA Ute]

I also noticed a difference when they quit selling alcohol up at RES. Yes, there is still plenty of booze smuggled in but as a whole there is not as much as there used to be.

??? It has been illegal to sell alcohol on any state university campus since 1972 (the first year I was old enough to pay attention to such things). Was alcohol ever sold at RES? It hasn't been in my adult lifetime.

[Flattop]

He must mean the stadium or stadiums that preceded RES.

[LA Ute]

I asked my son, who is a security officer at the U. and works the home footbal games, how they handle fan misbehavior. It was interesting.

There are 60 uniformed officers working every game.

There are 100 hosts - the people in yellow vests who stand at the portals.

There are another 50 people from an event management company - the people who look at backpacks etc. as you go in. Once the crowd is mostly in the stadium most of these people move inside and watch the portals from the concourse side.

Anyway, he says that if there's a fan problem you can get the attention of any of these people and they can get a uniformed officer with the authority to eject, detain and/or arrest the offender. You can also text a certain number to summon help, which I did not know. The number to text is flashed on the jumbotron.

The officers have to see something in order to take action. They can't throw anyone out, for example, unless they see the person is obviously drunk and disorderly, yelling, etc. They will confiscate such things as vulgar or obscene signs and blow-up dolls too, and have done so several times while my son has worked the games. Lots of alcohol is confiscated at every game, mostly from frat boys who make a sport out of seeing how much beer they can get into the stadium.

Anyway, just info. There is help available. It's not perfect, with a little over 200 people watching a crowd of 46,000, but there are things you can do.

[SeattleUte]

Could they have called a personal foul on Mad Max and invalidated the play? That would have been funny regardless of your interests.

[SCcoug]

Could they have called a personal foul on Mad Max and invalidated the play? That would have been funny regardless of your interests.

Don't think so, it was after the play had ended.

[PaloAltoCougar]

Could they have called a personal foul on Mad Max and invalidated the play? That would have been funny regardless of your interests.

It was after the play (and the game) was over. You should write the MWC and petition to have the penalty assessed on the 2010 opening kickoff.