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    Well I have thought a lot about this game and rewatched a few games from both teams. (I know I am a nerd). I looked at the stats, trends and history of the rivalry and have outlined below my keys to the game.

    1. BYUs receivers against Utahs corners. Utah is notorious for playing man press on the outside and having confidence in their corners to shut down the opposing teams wide outs. Without a weapon on the outside like Collie I think this will be effective for Utah. Chambers, Ashworth and Jacobsen are ok but they are not elite yet. I think Jacobsen has the ability to get downfield at least once in this game but I do not see a ton of catches from BYUs outside receivers. Like I said our outside receivers got their asses kicked in this game, at times BYUs receivers couldnt even get off the line of scrimmage

    2. BYUs backs and tight ends vs Utahs linebackers and safeties. This is where I think BYU has the largest advantage in the game. Tonga and Harvey are great receivers out of the backfield and tough to handle for linebackers. Pitta and George are maybe the best tight end tandem in college football. I expect Utah to mix in some zone in the middle of the field to disrupt BYUs timing with the tight ends as I do not think their LBs/S can cover Pitta or George one on one. However if the corners prove that they can cover BYUs receivers that will allow Utah to double Pitta/George. George did catch the game winner but Utah was able to confuse BYU and they had Rojo covering the flats (very smart) and went man to man against BYU on the outside which meant doubling the tightends, great game plan

    3. BYUs Offensive Line vs Utahs D-line. Without Derrick Shelby, and Kenape Eliapo BYU will have a good advantage against the run and the pass. I think Harvey has another big day and we could see Robert Anae get in one of his grooves where he calls 7,8 even 9 straight runs. (BYU did a good job running the ball, I think Anae called a bad game and really didnt mix it up enough, he threw on first down and ran on 2nd and 10, then he would throw again on 3rd and 1. Utah had a nice pash rush as well.

    4. BYUs soft zone coverage vs Jordan Wynn. Jordan Wynn is a true freshman but has shown some poise and promise in his limited starts. BYU is known to play very soft zone coverage and I can almost guarantee that is the gameplan for Utah. They are going to force Utah and Jordan Wynn to go on long drives and not make mistakes. Can Wynn lead his team on a 10 or 12 play drive without making any major mistakes to kill drives? Utah is also the most penalized team in the conference so these two factors could be huge. You do not want to put Wynn in to 3rd and long situations where he has to force things. In Wynns 3 1/2 games Utah has 3 drives over 10 plays, and one of those was a blocked fieldgoal, so 2 scoring drives over 10 plays. This shows that they have a quick strike offense and that Wynn may get inpatient and try to force some things. Biggest difference in this game was Wynn not taking what the defense was giving him, he had guys open on crossing routes all game and kept trying to go up top. Utah only had 1 td in the game and BYU did exactly what I said and tried to force long drives. Wynn did only have 1 turnover but Utah killed themselves with penalties and drops. Also Utah was 4-18 on third downs.

    5. Eddie Wide vs BYUs rush defense. BYU has done a great job this year stopping the run. However they have not played a team that runs out of a spread formation like Utah does. I am interested to see how they handle this, with Wynn not being a threat to run the ends will have free reign to crash down on the weak side and pursue the play taking away cutback lanes for Wide. Look for Utah to mix in at least one reverse to try and catch BYU cheating. If Wide can get going this will take a lot of pressure off of Wynn and allow Utah to control the clock and sustain drives. Wide didnt do much until the 4th quarter (which is when Wynn stepped up, no coincidence there) he is a solid back and had a nice game, overall however Utah had 30 carries for 97 yards. BYUs run defense was solid

    6. David Reed/Jereme Brooks vs BYUs secondary. The intersting thing about this matchup is that BYU does not play man to man coverage it is almost 100% zone. Which means that the crossing patterns that Reed and Brooks run so well and bust so many big plays off of, should not be as effective. However the downside to this is if they line up any of them in the slot and run them deep they will be matched up on a tight end or safety and that is a huge advantage for Utah. I am excited to see how Utah attacks BYUs defense as well as how BYU counters. Not sure what happened here they looked great early and then disappeared for the rest of the game, Reed was in the slot all game long and matched up on Pendelton but Wynn was not finding him

    7. Special teams. The punting will play the biggest factor, but teams statistically have very good coverage units. Two big punt returns by both teams maybe the biggest factors in the game

    With all this being said, I think BYU has the biggest advantages and my prediction is BYU 31 Utah 17. If BYU does not get off the field on third downs and gives up big plays I could see Utah pulling out a close game. My prediction was way off, but what a great game to watch. Two teams slugging it out, if this was the SEC people would be gushing about this game
    Last edited by cougjunkie; 11-28-2009, 10:13 PM.
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    Yesterday I saw the 2006 game for the first time. (In 2006, The Mtn was in its infancy and not available where I lived). On paper, that BYU team should have dominated and was favored by what, 11?

    On BYU's game-winning drive at the end, Brice McCain had a crucial missed tackle on 4th down. This was the same Brice McCain that let his man get behind him on 4th and 18 the next year. The same Brice McCain who is now in the NFL.

    Here's to hoping that today's game doesn't boil down to a future NFL back making a key screw-up in crunch time.

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    • #3
      Nice write up CJ. I agree. I think BYU wins and they win big.
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      • #4
        Originally posted by Fiyero View Post
        Yesterday I saw the 2006 game for the first time. (In 2006, The Mtn was in its infancy and not available where I lived). On paper, that BYU team should have dominated and was favored by what, 11?

        On BYU's game-winning drive at the end, Brice McCain had a crucial missed tackle on 4th down. This was the same Brice McCain that let his man get behind him on 4th and 18 the next year. The same Brice McCain who is now in the NFL.

        Here's to hoping that today's game doesn't boil down to a future NFL back making a key screw-up in crunch time.
        McCain has actually looked good in the NFL too. In fact he will play quite a bit Sunday against Indy and look for him to cover Collie. Nothing pisses me off more than a senior making mental mistakes (I am looking at you Max!)
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        • #5
          Originally posted by cougjunkie View Post
          Well I have thought a lot about this game and rewatched a few games from both teams. (I know I am a nerd). I looked at the stats, trends and history of the rivalry and have outlined below my keys to the game.

          1. BYUs receivers against Utahs corners. Utah is notorious for playing man press on the outside and having confidence in their corners to shut down the opposing teams wide outs. Without a weapon on the outside like Collie I think this will be effective for Utah. Chambers, Ashworth and Jacobsen are ok but they are not elite yet. I think Jacobsen has the ability to get downfield at least once in this game but I do not see a ton of catches from BYUs outside receivers.

          2. BYUs backs and tight ends vs Utahs linebackers and safeties. This is where I think BYU has the largest advantage in the game. Tonga and Harvey are great receivers out of the backfield and tough to handle for linebackers. Pitta and George are maybe the best tight end tandem in college football. I expect Utah to mix in some zone in the middle of the field to disrupt BYUs timing with the tight ends as I do not think their LBs/S can cover Pitta or George one on one. However if the corners prove that they can cover BYUs receivers that will allow Utah to double Pitta/George.

          3. BYUs Offensive Line vs Utahs D-line. Without Derrick Shelby, and Kenape Eliapo BYU will have a good advantage against the run and the pass. I think Harvey has another big day and we could see Robert Anae get in one of his grooves where he calls 7,8 even 9 straight runs.

          4. BYUs soft zone coverage vs Jordan Wynn. Jordan Wynn is a true freshman but has shown some poise and promise in his limited starts. BYU is known to play very soft zone coverage and I can almost guarantee that is the gameplan for Utah. They are going to force Utah and Jordan Wynn to go on long drives and not make mistakes. Can Wynn lead his team on a 10 or 12 play drive without making any major mistakes to kill drives? Utah is also the most penalized team in the conference so these two factors could be huge. You do not want to put Wynn in to 3rd and long situations where he has to force things. In Wynns 3 1/2 games Utah has 3 drives over 10 plays, and one of those was a blocked fieldgoal, so 2 scoring drives over 10 plays. This shows that they have a quick strike offense and that Wynn may get inpatient and try to force some things.

          5. Eddie Wide vs BYUs rush defense. BYU has done a great job this year stopping the run. However they have not played a team that runs out of a spread formation like Utah does. I am interested to see how they handle this, with Wynn not being a threat to run the ends will have free reign to crash down on the weak side and pursue the play taking away cutback lanes for Wide. Look for Utah to mix in at least one reverse to try and catch BYU cheating. If Wide can get going this will take a lot of pressure off of Wynn and allow Utah to control the clock and sustain drives.

          6. David Reed/Jereme Brooks vs BYUs secondary. The intersting thing about this matchup is that BYU does not play man to man coverage it is almost 100% zone. Which means that the crossing patterns that Reed and Brooks run so well and bust so many big plays off of, should not be as effective. However the downside to this is if they line up any of them in the slot and run them deep they will be matched up on a tight end or safety and that is a huge advantage for Utah. I am excited to see how Utah attacks BYUs defense as well as how BYU counters.

          7. Special teams. The punting will play the biggest factor, but teams statistically have very good coverage units.

          With all this being said, I think BYU has the biggest advantages and my prediction is BYU 31 Utah 17. If BYU does not get off the field on third downs and gives up big plays I could see Utah pulling out a close game.
          The only unpredictable note is whether Anae goes with what is working or starts putting Hall in positions where he gets sacked or throws interceptions in obvious running situation.

          The other unpredictable is how Wynn will play. He clueless (not in a bad way) as to how big of a game this is for Utah and BYU. That cluelessness will probably help him out if BYU can't rattle him early.

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          • #6
            Originally posted by cougjunkie View Post
            Well I have thought a lot about this game and rewatched a few games from both teams. (I know I am a nerd). I looked at the stats, trends and history of the rivalry and have outlined below my keys to the game.

            1. BYUs receivers against Utahs corners. Utah is notorious for playing man press on the outside and having confidence in their corners to shut down the opposing teams wide outs. Without a weapon on the outside like Collie I think this will be effective for Utah. Chambers, Ashworth and Jacobsen are ok but they are not elite yet. I think Jacobsen has the ability to get downfield at least once in this game but I do not see a ton of catches from BYUs outside receivers.

            2. BYUs backs and tight ends vs Utahs linebackers and safeties. This is where I think BYU has the largest advantage in the game. Tonga and Harvey are great receivers out of the backfield and tough to handle for linebackers. Pitta and George are maybe the best tight end tandem in college football. I expect Utah to mix in some zone in the middle of the field to disrupt BYUs timing with the tight ends as I do not think their LBs/S can cover Pitta or George one on one. However if the corners prove that they can cover BYUs receivers that will allow Utah to double Pitta/George.

            3. BYUs Offensive Line vs Utahs D-line. Without Derrick Shelby, and Kenape Eliapo BYU will have a good advantage against the run and the pass. I think Harvey has another big day and we could see Robert Anae get in one of his grooves where he calls 7,8 even 9 straight runs.

            4. BYUs soft zone coverage vs Jordan Wynn. Jordan Wynn is a true freshman but has shown some poise and promise in his limited starts. BYU is known to play very soft zone coverage and I can almost guarantee that is the gameplan for Utah. They are going to force Utah and Jordan Wynn to go on long drives and not make mistakes. Can Wynn lead his team on a 10 or 12 play drive without making any major mistakes to kill drives? Utah is also the most penalized team in the conference so these two factors could be huge. You do not want to put Wynn in to 3rd and long situations where he has to force things. In Wynns 3 1/2 games Utah has 3 drives over 10 plays, and one of those was a blocked fieldgoal, so 2 scoring drives over 10 plays. This shows that they have a quick strike offense and that Wynn may get inpatient and try to force some things.

            5. Eddie Wide vs BYUs rush defense. BYU has done a great job this year stopping the run. However they have not played a team that runs out of a spread formation like Utah does. I am interested to see how they handle this, with Wynn not being a threat to run the ends will have free reign to crash down on the weak side and pursue the play taking away cutback lanes for Wide. Look for Utah to mix in at least one reverse to try and catch BYU cheating. If Wide can get going this will take a lot of pressure off of Wynn and allow Utah to control the clock and sustain drives.

            6. David Reed/Jereme Brooks vs BYUs secondary. The intersting thing about this matchup is that BYU does not play man to man coverage it is almost 100% zone. Which means that the crossing patterns that Reed and Brooks run so well and bust so many big plays off of, should not be as effective. However the downside to this is if they line up any of them in the slot and run them deep they will be matched up on a tight end or safety and that is a huge advantage for Utah. I am excited to see how Utah attacks BYUs defense as well as how BYU counters.

            7. Special teams. The punting will play the biggest factor, but teams statistically have very good coverage units.

            With all this being said, I think BYU has the biggest advantages and my prediction is BYU 31 Utah 17. If BYU does not get off the field on third downs and gives up big plays I could see Utah pulling out a close game.
            Great work, CJ.

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            • #7
              Originally posted by cougjunkie View Post
              2. BYUs backs and tight ends vs Utahs linebackers and safeties. This is where I think BYU has the largest advantage in the game. Tonga and Harvey are great receivers out of the backfield and tough to handle for linebackers. Pitta and George are maybe the best tight end tandem in college football. I expect Utah to mix in some zone in the middle of the field to disrupt BYUs timing with the tight ends as I do not think their LBs/S can cover Pitta or George one on one. However if the corners prove that they can cover BYUs receivers that will allow Utah to double Pitta/George.

              3. BYUs Offensive Line vs Utahs D-line. Without Derrick Shelby, and Kenape Eliapo BYU will have a good advantage against the run and the pass. I think Harvey has another big day and we could see Robert Anae get in one of his grooves where he calls 7,8 even 9 straight runs.
              We discussed this earlier in the week. I agree about the tight ends, and if BYU wins this game it will be because Pitta and George combine for a huge day.

              But despite Unga's success against Utah, I'm wondering how much he'll be used. He's only caught 13 passes this year, and the most carries he's had since the bye week is 16.

              Great analysis. I'm optimistic about Utah's chances today. I think Wynn will be able to stretch the Cougars out and open up the ground game. And on defense I feel confident they can win the turnover battle and limit BYU's drives.
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              • #8
                Originally posted by BoylenOver View Post
                We discussed this earlier in the week. I agree about the tight ends, and if BYU wins this game it will be because Pitta and George combine for a huge day.

                But despite Unga's success against Utah, I'm wondering how much he'll be used. He's only caught 13 passes this year, and the most carries he's had since the bye week is 16.

                Great analysis. I'm optimistic about Utah's chances today. I think Wynn will be able to stretch the Cougars out and open up the ground game. And on defense I feel confident they can win the turnover battle and limit BYU's drives.
                I have revised my prediction from a close game to a blow-out. The last time I did this, TCU blew up the Cougs. Uh oh.

                That said, last time I was on a plane to Europe and today I'm in sunny, extremely windy NYC and just discovered CBSC has picked up the game from a montanha de merda.

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                • #9
                  Originally posted by BoylenOver View Post
                  We discussed this earlier in the week. I agree about the tight ends, and if BYU wins this game it will be because Pitta and George combine for a huge day.

                  But despite Unga's success against Utah, I'm wondering how much he'll be used. He's only caught 13 passes this year, and the most carries he's had since the bye week is 16.

                  Great analysis. I'm optimistic about Utah's chances today. I think Wynn will be able to stretch the Cougars out and open up the ground game. And on defense I feel confident they can win the turnover battle and limit BYU's drives.
                  I think it boils down to this: Can Utah stop BYU's running game without bringing extra help? If Utah is force to focus the LBs on stopping the run game, then the TEs are going to run wild.

                  It starts and ends with BYU's running game. If BYU's not getting the run going against Utah's front 4, then its going to be a dogfight.

                  If Utah's stacking the box to stop the run, then CJ's prediction might be generous to Utah.

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                  • #10
                    Originally posted by Viking View Post
                    I have revised my prediction from a close game to a blow-out. The last time I did this, TCU blew up the Cougs. Uh oh.

                    That said, last time I was on a plane to Europe and today I'm in sunny, extremely windy NYC and just discovered CBSC has picked up the game from a montanha de merda.
                    SWEET! I thought the game was on the Mtn. When did they pick it up? I could have swore it wasn't on the schedule when I checked earlier this year.

                    Edit: Just saw that Versus and CSTV picked up this game. That's 96 million viewers!

                    http://www.deseretnews.com/article/6...ound-down.html
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                    • #11
                      Originally posted by Surfah View Post
                      SWEET! I thought the game was on the Mtn. When did they pick it up? I could have swore it wasn't on the schedule when I checked earlier this year.

                      Edit: Just saw that Versus and CSTV picked up this game. That's 96 million viewers!

                      http://www.deseretnews.com/article/6...ound-down.html
                      It's not showing up on my Versus guide.

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                      • #12
                        Originally posted by Fiyero View Post
                        Yesterday I saw the 2006 game for the first time. (In 2006, The Mtn was in its infancy and not available where I lived).
                        That game was simulcast on cbs -cs. I watched it at buffalo wild wings
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                        • #13
                          I just posted my comments in the original post.
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