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  • Art Vandelay
    Striving for mediocrity
    • Jul 2009
    • 10516

    #1

    BYU-Utah History ATS

    I don't gamble, but if I did one of the safer bets over the years would be to always bet for Utah when playing BYU, especially when they are an underdog. In the last 10 years, BYU has only beaten the spread 4 times and 3 of those were losses (one of which the mighty Cougs scored exactly zero points). BYU has been the favorite and covered exactly one time 2007. I personally think the line is too high this year (BYU -7.5). I will be shocked if BYU wins by more than a touchdown.

    All lines are from the BYU perspective a minus number means they were favored, a plus number means they were underdogs.

    2013: -7.0....
    2012: -4.0.... 21-24 - Loss no cover
    2011: -4.0.... 10-54 - Loss and not in the freaking vicinity of a cover.
    2010: +9.0.....16-17- Loss but covered
    2009: -7.5.....26-23 - Win but no cover
    2008: +6.5.....24-48 - Loss and no cover
    2007: -4.5 ....17-10 - Only game they win and cover in over a decade.
    2006: -10.5....33-31 - Win but no cover
    2005: -10 .....34-41- Loss and no cover
    2004:+18.5....21-52- Loss and no cover
    2003: +8 ......0-3 - The worst cover in the history of betting!
    2002: +7.5.....6-13 - Loss but covered
    2001: -5.5 .....24-21 - Win but no cover
    Last edited by Art Vandelay; 09-16-2013, 08:44 AM. Reason: Updated
  • Mormon Red Death
    BYU Delenda Est
    • Nov 2008
    • 8077

    #2
    Originally posted by Art Vandelay View Post

    2009: -7.5
    2008: +6.5.....24-48 - Loss and no cover
    2007: -4.5 ....17-10 - Only game they win and cover in over a decade.
    2006: -10.5....33-31 - Win but no cover
    2005: -10 .....34-41- Loss but covered
    2004:+18.5....21-52- Loss and no cover
    2003: +8 ......0-3 - The worse cover in the history of betting!
    2002: +7.5.....6-13 - Loss but covered
    2001: -5.5 .....24-21 - Win but no cover
    I was initially surprised that Utah was a 10 point dog in 2005 then I remembered Brian Johnson's injury.
    "Be a philosopher. A man can compromise to gain a point. It has become apparent that a man can, within limits, follow his inclinations within the arms of the Church if he does so discreetly." - The Walking Drum

    "And here’s what life comes down to—not how many years you live, but how many of those years are filled with bullshit that doesn’t amount to anything to satisfy the requirements of some dickhead you’ll never get the pleasure of punching in the face." – Adam Carolla

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    • byu71
      Senior Member
      • Nov 2008
      • 22070

      #3
      Originally posted by Art Vandelay View Post
      I don't gamble, but if I did one of the safer bets over the years would be to always bet for Utah when playing BYU, especially when they are an underdog. In the last 10 years, BYU has only beaten the spread 4 times and 3 of those were losses (one of which the mighty Cougs scored exactly zero points). BYU has been the favorite and covered exactly one time 2007. I personally think the line is too high this year (BYU -7.5). I will be shocked if BYU wins by more than a touchdown.

      All lines are from the BYU perspective a minus number means they were favored, a plus number means they were underdogs.

      2009: -7.5
      2008: +6.5.....24-48 - Loss and no cover
      2007: -4.5 ....17-10 - Only game they win and cover in over a decade.
      2006: -10.5....33-31 - Win but no cover
      2005: -10 .....34-41- Loss but covered
      2004:+18.5....21-52- Loss and no cover
      2003: +8 ......0-3 - The worse cover in the history of betting!
      2002: +7.5.....6-13 - Loss but covered
      2001: -5.5 .....24-21 - Win but no cover

      That would indicate it is a Utah / BYU thing and not necessarily a Kyle / Bronco thing.

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      • Donuthole
        Official Outgayer
        • Nov 2008
        • 25298

        #4
        Originally posted by Art Vandelay View Post

        2009: -7.5
        2008: +6.5.....24-48 - Loss and no cover
        2007: -4.5 ....17-10 - Only game they win and cover in over a decade.
        2006: -10.5....33-31 - Win but no cover
        2005: -10 .....34-41- Loss but covered
        2004:+18.5....21-52- Loss and no cover
        2003: +8 ......0-3 - The worse cover in the history of betting!
        2002: +7.5.....6-13 - Loss but covered
        2001: -5.5 .....24-21 - Win but no cover
        2005 is a loss and no cover
        Prepare to put mustard on those words, for you will soon be consuming them, along with this slice of humble pie that comes direct from the oven of shame set at gas mark “egg on your face”! -- Moss

        There's three rules that I live by: never get less than twelve hours sleep; never play cards with a guy who's got the same first name as a city; and never go near a lady's got a tattoo of a dagger on her body. Now you stick to that, everything else is cream cheese. --Coach Finstock

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        • LiveCoug
          LA Ute loves me
          • Nov 2008
          • 18489

          #5
          Edit 2005... We lost and didn't cover

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          • Art Vandelay
            Striving for mediocrity
            • Jul 2009
            • 10516

            #6
            Originally posted by Donuthole View Post
            2005 is a loss and no cover
            Originally posted by LiveCoug View Post
            Edit 2005... We lost and didn't cover
            oops. Fixed

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            • Indy Coug
              Heartless Bastard
              • Dec 2008
              • 18747

              #7
              This thread shows that BYU fans put more money on games than President Hinckley would have ever imagined.
              Everything in life is an approximation.

              http://twitter.com/CougarStats

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              • Donuthole
                Official Outgayer
                • Nov 2008
                • 25298

                #8
                Originally posted by Mormon Red Death View Post
                I was initially surprised that Utah was a 10 point dog in 2005 then I remembered Brian Johnson's injury.
                I'm surprised Utah was an 8 point favorite in 2002. That's a pretty big spread for two pretty equally crappy teams.
                Prepare to put mustard on those words, for you will soon be consuming them, along with this slice of humble pie that comes direct from the oven of shame set at gas mark “egg on your face”! -- Moss

                There's three rules that I live by: never get less than twelve hours sleep; never play cards with a guy who's got the same first name as a city; and never go near a lady's got a tattoo of a dagger on her body. Now you stick to that, everything else is cream cheese. --Coach Finstock

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                • Art Vandelay
                  Striving for mediocrity
                  • Jul 2009
                  • 10516

                  #9
                  I updated the results from last year. Utah favored by the second largest amount in the last 25 year. Perhaps it is the blue goggles but I don't feel the disparity between the two team is as large as the point spread would indicate. However, history clearly shows it is wise to take Utah and the points + or - in this rivarly.

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                  • BoylenOver
                    Junior Member
                    • Nov 2008
                    • 9146

                    #10
                    Originally posted by Art Vandelay View Post
                    I updated the results from last year. Utah favored by the second largest amount in the last 25 year. Perhaps it is the blue goggles but I don't feel the disparity between the two team is as large as the point spread would indicate. However, history clearly shows it is wise to take Utah and the points + or - in this rivarly.
                    BYU having 3 more losses, going on the road, with a true freshman at QB makes it understandable why the line is double-digits. I would guess it drops if the weather forecasts continue to hold true.
                    "I don't know the origin of said bitch booming."-Art Vandelay
                    "Hot Lunch posted awhile back on this. He knows more than anyone except for maybe BO."-Seattle Ute

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                    • Art Vandelay
                      Striving for mediocrity
                      • Jul 2009
                      • 10516

                      #11
                      * updated *

                      Yuck, I had forgotten last years score. I'm beginning to hate the number 16.

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                      • Katy Lied
                        Senior Member
                        • Dec 2008
                        • 9435

                        #12
                        After watching all of the games for both teams to date, I'm convinced that this game is a true crapshoot, and anyone's to win.

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                        • Eddie
                          Senior Member
                          • Apr 2009
                          • 8098

                          #13
                          Originally posted by Katy Lied View Post
                          After watching all of the games for both teams to date, I'm convinced that this game is a true crapshoot, and anyone's to win.
                          In 2008 Alema Harrington kept telling everyone who would listen on the radio that both teams have a 50/50 shot at winning.

                          Now - I think that in 2008 he was wrong.

                          But most of the time - I agree with you and Alema. Throw records out the window, because they rarely matter. Either team is very capable of winning or losing this thing.

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                          • Art Vandelay
                            Striving for mediocrity
                            • Jul 2009
                            • 10516

                            #14
                            The spread has dropped to -3.5 or -4 depending on which book you look at. That means, A LOT of coin was dropped on Utah with the bigger number. I don't know what it takes to move a spread 3 points, but I would guess a lot of money 500k+ came in very quickly on that line. I think a lot of people incorrectly assume this is because BYU fans don't bet or because Vegas thinks Utah is better. Line movements are almost solely from sharps and wise guys. They have no emotional attachment to a team or even who will win, they look for what they consider a bad number. In fact, the same better may have money on both BYU and Utah for this game. Lets say, prior to the lines coming out he considers BYU a 4.5 point favorite. When he sees the book has Utah +6.5 he jumps on it putting as much money as he can down initially, maybe even going to several sportsbooks locking in that number. The book reacts and quickly shifts the line lower, maybe even too low (BYU -3.5). Now the bettor sees value in taking BYU.

                            Whats interesting to me, is as close as this game always is it has never been considered a +/- 3 point spread. If both teams are considered equal, the home team is usually a 3 point favorite.

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                            • Mormon Red Death
                              BYU Delenda Est
                              • Nov 2008
                              • 8077

                              #15
                              Originally posted by Art Vandelay View Post
                              The spread has dropped to -3.5 or -4 depending on which book you look at. That means, A LOT of coin was dropped on Utah with the bigger number. I don't know what it takes to move a spread 3 points, but I would guess a lot of money 500k+ came in very quickly on that line. I think a lot of people incorrectly assume this is because BYU fans don't bet or because Vegas thinks Utah is better. Line movements are almost solely from sharps and wise guys. They have no emotional attachment to a team or even who will win, they look for what they consider a bad number. In fact, the same better may have money on both BYU and Utah for this game. Lets say, prior to the lines coming out he considers BYU a 4.5 point favorite. When he sees the book has Utah +6.5 he jumps on it putting as much money as he can down initially, maybe even going to several sportsbooks locking in that number. The book reacts and quickly shifts the line lower, maybe even too low (BYU -3.5). Now the bettor sees value in taking BYU.

                              Whats interesting to me, is as close as this game always is it has never been considered a +/- 3 point spread. If both teams are considered equal, the home team is usually a 3 point favorite.
                              The line can move for a myriad reasons and for all we know it could be the squares taking Utah like crazy.
                              "Be a philosopher. A man can compromise to gain a point. It has become apparent that a man can, within limits, follow his inclinations within the arms of the Church if he does so discreetly." - The Walking Drum

                              "And here’s what life comes down to—not how many years you live, but how many of those years are filled with bullshit that doesn’t amount to anything to satisfy the requirements of some dickhead you’ll never get the pleasure of punching in the face." – Adam Carolla

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