Brandon McCarthy how sabermetrics saved his career

[MartyFunkhouser]

Fantastic article on McCarthy. I wonder if the next great leap in baseball will come from getting players to adopt sabermetric principles into how they play the game.

http://espn.go.com/mlb/story/_/id/76...-espn-magazine

[MarkGrace]

I read this article of the weekend and enjoyed it.

The whole edition of the mag was dedicated to advanced metrics in sports. I was encouraged to see some developments in rating QB's that seek to measure things more within the QB's control, including a metric attempting to remove luck from the equation (like FIP for pitchers) when the QB makes the wrong decision but isn't punished for it by way of an INT/TO. I was a bit surprised, however, since PER is so good I can't imagine why you'd want anything else.

[Indy Coug]

I read this article of the weekend and enjoyed it.

The whole edition of the mag was dedicated to advanced metrics in sports. I was encouraged to see some developments in rating QB's that seek to measure things more within the QB's control, including a metric attempting to remove luck from the equation (like FIP for pitchers) when the QB makes the wrong decision but isn't punished for it by way of an INT/TO. I was a bit surprised, however, since PER is so good I can't imagine why you'd want anything else.

Don't know what you mean by "PER", but the NFL QB Rating formula is a POS.

[MarkGrace]

Don't know what you mean by "PER", but the NFL QB Rating formula is a POS.

Pass Efficiency Rating. Jay's Holy Grail.

[Blueintheface]

Pass Efficiency Rating. Jay's Holy Grail.

I think he was playin' with ya.

[Indy Coug]

Pass Efficiency Rating. Jay's Holy Grail.

PER should be read as a team rating, not as an individual rating. Granted, one individual has a immensely disproportionate contribution towards that measure, but it still remains a team statistic.

As a team statistic the college pass efficiency formula is without doubt an extremely effective measure. The NFL QB Rating formula is not nearly as good as the college formula.

ESPN's TQB Rating is a black box. However since it only has to be better than the QB Rating, it has a low bar to clear.

[MarkGrace]

PER should be read as a team rating, not as an individual rating. Granted, one individual has a immensely disproportionate contribution towards that measure, but it still remains a team statistic.

That's what I've been trying to tell Jay!

[jay santos]

Let's not use any stats or data. Just use the eyeball test.

[MarkGrace]

I think he was playin' with ya.

You would think that given his absolute reliance on such a limited stat (at least in terms of measuring an individual), but he wasn't. Jay doesn't play, he's all business.

[Surfah]

I read this article of the weekend and enjoyed it.

The whole edition of the mag was dedicated to advanced metrics in sports. I was encouraged to see some developments in rating QB's that seek to measure things more within the QB's control, including a metric attempting to remove luck from the equation (like FIP for pitchers) when the QB makes the wrong decision but isn't punished for it by way of an INT/TO. I was a bit surprised, however, since PER is so good I can't imagine why you'd want anything else.

His wife is hot.

[Indy Coug]

BTW, just because a rating system like Total QB Rating claims it includes a myriad of situational or conditional measures doesn't mean

1. They should be considered to begin with
2. They receive the appropiate weightings

A 10,000 line algorithm (ESPN's claim) isn't particularly useful and it certainly doesn't lend itself well to evaluation.

[MarkGrace]

His wife is hot.

I swear I thought she was Anna Benson when I saw the cover.

[Indy Coug]

I swear I thought she was Anna Benson when I saw the cover.

That cover is lame. I don't care how hot his wife may or may not be.

[Surfah]

I swear I thought she was Anna Benson when I saw the cover.

Funny I thought the same thing.

[MarkGrace]

That cover is lame. I don't care how hot his wife may or may not be.

I don't know about lame, but definitely misleading. Seems he had scored the babe well before reinventing himself under Moneyball.