Brandon McCarthy how sabermetrics saved his career

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  • MartyFunkhouser
    Disciple of RNGesus
    • Nov 2008
    • 18713

    #1

    Brandon McCarthy how sabermetrics saved his career

    Fantastic article on McCarthy. I wonder if the next great leap in baseball will come from getting players to adopt sabermetric principles into how they play the game.

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  • MarkGrace
    Grooveshark dick tease
    • Dec 2008
    • 31546

    #2
    I read this article of the weekend and enjoyed it.

    The whole edition of the mag was dedicated to advanced metrics in sports. I was encouraged to see some developments in rating QB's that seek to measure things more within the QB's control, including a metric attempting to remove luck from the equation (like FIP for pitchers) when the QB makes the wrong decision but isn't punished for it by way of an INT/TO. I was a bit surprised, however, since PER is so good I can't imagine why you'd want anything else.
    So Russell...what do you love about music? To begin with, everything.

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    • Indy Coug
      Heartless Bastard
      • Dec 2008
      • 18747

      #3
      Originally posted by MarkGrace View Post
      I read this article of the weekend and enjoyed it.

      The whole edition of the mag was dedicated to advanced metrics in sports. I was encouraged to see some developments in rating QB's that seek to measure things more within the QB's control, including a metric attempting to remove luck from the equation (like FIP for pitchers) when the QB makes the wrong decision but isn't punished for it by way of an INT/TO. I was a bit surprised, however, since PER is so good I can't imagine why you'd want anything else.
      Don't know what you mean by "PER", but the NFL QB Rating formula is a POS.
      Everything in life is an approximation.

      http://twitter.com/CougarStats

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      • MarkGrace
        Grooveshark dick tease
        • Dec 2008
        • 31546

        #4
        Originally posted by Indy Coug View Post
        Don't know what you mean by "PER", but the NFL QB Rating formula is a POS.
        Pass Efficiency Rating. Jay's Holy Grail.
        So Russell...what do you love about music? To begin with, everything.

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        • Blueintheface
          Senior Member
          • Sep 2009
          • 15382

          #5
          Originally posted by MarkGrace View Post
          Pass Efficiency Rating. Jay's Holy Grail.
          I think he was playin' with ya.
          "Either evolution or intelligent design can account for the athlete, but neither can account for the sports fan." - Robert Brault

          "Once I seen the trades go down and the other guys signed elsewhere," he said, "I knew it was my time now." - Derrick Favors

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          • Indy Coug
            Heartless Bastard
            • Dec 2008
            • 18747

            #6
            Originally posted by MarkGrace View Post
            Pass Efficiency Rating. Jay's Holy Grail.
            PER should be read as a team rating, not as an individual rating. Granted, one individual has a immensely disproportionate contribution towards that measure, but it still remains a team statistic.

            As a team statistic the college pass efficiency formula is without doubt an extremely effective measure. The NFL QB Rating formula is not nearly as good as the college formula.

            ESPN's TQB Rating is a black box. However since it only has to be better than the QB Rating, it has a low bar to clear.
            Everything in life is an approximation.

            http://twitter.com/CougarStats

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            • MarkGrace
              Grooveshark dick tease
              • Dec 2008
              • 31546

              #7
              Originally posted by Indy Coug View Post
              PER should be read as a team rating, not as an individual rating. Granted, one individual has a immensely disproportionate contribution towards that measure, but it still remains a team statistic.
              That's what I've been trying to tell Jay!
              So Russell...what do you love about music? To begin with, everything.

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              • jay santos
                Senior Member
                • Nov 2008
                • 13652

                #8
                Let's not use any stats or data. Just use the eyeball test.

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                • MarkGrace
                  Grooveshark dick tease
                  • Dec 2008
                  • 31546

                  #9
                  Originally posted by Blueintheface View Post
                  I think he was playin' with ya.
                  You would think that given his absolute reliance on such a limited stat (at least in terms of measuring an individual), but he wasn't. Jay doesn't play, he's all business.
                  Last edited by MarkGrace; 02-27-2012, 12:37 PM.
                  So Russell...what do you love about music? To begin with, everything.

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                  • Surfah
                    Where's Wallace?
                    • Nov 2008
                    • 33726

                    #10
                    Originally posted by MarkGrace View Post
                    I read this article of the weekend and enjoyed it.

                    The whole edition of the mag was dedicated to advanced metrics in sports. I was encouraged to see some developments in rating QB's that seek to measure things more within the QB's control, including a metric attempting to remove luck from the equation (like FIP for pitchers) when the QB makes the wrong decision but isn't punished for it by way of an INT/TO. I was a bit surprised, however, since PER is so good I can't imagine why you'd want anything else.
                    His wife is hot.
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                    • Indy Coug
                      Heartless Bastard
                      • Dec 2008
                      • 18747

                      #11
                      BTW, just because a rating system like Total QB Rating claims it includes a myriad of situational or conditional measures doesn't mean

                      1. They should be considered to begin with
                      2. They receive the appropiate weightings

                      A 10,000 line algorithm (ESPN's claim) isn't particularly useful and it certainly doesn't lend itself well to evaluation.
                      Everything in life is an approximation.

                      http://twitter.com/CougarStats

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                      • MarkGrace
                        Grooveshark dick tease
                        • Dec 2008
                        • 31546

                        #12
                        Originally posted by Surfah View Post
                        His wife is hot.
                        I swear I thought she was Anna Benson when I saw the cover.
                        So Russell...what do you love about music? To begin with, everything.

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                        • Indy Coug
                          Heartless Bastard
                          • Dec 2008
                          • 18747

                          #13
                          Originally posted by MarkGrace View Post
                          I swear I thought she was Anna Benson when I saw the cover.
                          That cover is lame. I don't care how hot his wife may or may not be.
                          Everything in life is an approximation.

                          http://twitter.com/CougarStats

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                          • Surfah
                            Where's Wallace?
                            • Nov 2008
                            • 33726

                            #14
                            Originally posted by MarkGrace View Post
                            I swear I thought she was Anna Benson when I saw the cover.
                            Funny I thought the same thing.
                            "Nobody listens to Turtle."
                            -Turtle
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                            • MarkGrace
                              Grooveshark dick tease
                              • Dec 2008
                              • 31546

                              #15
                              Originally posted by Indy Coug View Post
                              That cover is lame. I don't care how hot his wife may or may not be.
                              I don't know about lame, but definitely misleading. Seems he had scored the babe well before reinventing himself under Moneyball.
                              So Russell...what do you love about music? To begin with, everything.

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