2012 NFL Draft

[DrumNFeather]

The top 20 picks have been decided (sort of):

1. Indianapolis Colts
2. Washington Redskins
3. Minnesota Vikings
4. Cleveland Browns
5. Tampa Bay Buccaneers
6. St. Louis Rams
7. Jacksonville Jaguars
8. Miami Dolphins
9. Carolina Panthers
10. Buffalo Bills
11. Kansas City Chiefs
12. Seattle Seahawks
13. Arizona Cardinals
14. Dallas Cowboys
15. Philadelphia Eagles
16. New York Jets
17. Cincinnati Bengals
18. San Diego Chargers
19. Chicago Bears
20. Tennessee Titans
21. Cincinnati Bengals
22. Cleveland Browns
23. Detroit Lions
24. Pittsburgh Steelers
25. Denver Broncos
26. Houston Texans
27. New England Patriots
28. Green Bay Packers
29. Baltimore Ravens
30. San Francisco 49ers
31. New England Patriots
32. New York Giants

*to be decided by a coin flip

[Color Me Badd Fan]

Indy fired Bill Polian today. I can't help but think that it portends a complete break with the current regime and that means drafting Andrew Luck and trading Peyton Manning. I think it's the right move and not something that Polian would be willing to make. Also, I can't recall the Colts making a decent 1st round draft pick since Dwight Freeney, with the possible exception of the oft-injured Bob Sanders.

[DrumNFeather]

Indy fired Bill Polian today. I can't help but think that it portends a complete break with the current regime and that means drafting Andrew Luck and trading Peyton Manning. I think it's the right move and not something that Polian would be willing to make. Also, I can't recall the Colts making a decent 1st round draft pick since Dwight Freeney, with the possible exception of the oft-injured Bob Sanders.

Yeah that was an interesting move...and with Caldwell likely to get Sacked as well that entire organization is going to be turned on its head.

It'll be interesting to see what the asking price is for Peyton if that's the direction they decide to go in.

At the top of the draft, it's likely that 4 of the top 7 teams will have new coaches, so it'll be interesting to see how much buzz and interest RG III attracts from teams like St. Louis and Tampa, who already have young QBs in their stable.

[cougjunkie]

Indy fired Bill Polian today. I can't help but think that it portends a complete break with the current regime and that means drafting Andrew Luck and trading Peyton Manning. I think it's the right move and not something that Polian would be willing to make. Also, I can't recall the Colts making a decent 1st round draft pick since Dwight Freeney, with the possible exception of the oft-injured Bob Sanders.

Polian is one of the best executives in the NFL. He ran the Bill during their run in the early 90s, he ran Carolina during the first 3 years of existence when they made it to the NFC chamipionship and now look what he has done with Indy.

Players Polian has drafted:

Edgerrin James
Reggie Wayne
Peyton Manning
Dwight Freeney
Robert Mathis


He has also discovered the following undrafted FA:

Jeff Saturday
Dominic Rhodes
Terrence Wilkins
Raheem Brock
Gary Brackett
Ben Utecht
Ryan Lilja
Melvin Bullitt


Sorry but the guy is a witch in the front office and Indy is making a huge mistake.

[Jacob]

Forgive me for being a non-follower of the NFL draft and no NFL expert. But it seems to me that the Colts would be much better off trading the pick if they can get back multiple 1st round and other picks. Luck is obviously not going to make them a good team in the next few years without a whole lotta help, right?

So why is my thinking wrong? Is it because it is easy to acquire loads of talent via free agency, but not a good QB? Even if that is the case, if we look at the best QBs in the league right now, we see a bunch of guys (other than Peyton Manning) who were not top picks. Rogers, Brady, Brees.

[woot]

Forgive me for being a non-follower of the NFL draft and no NFL expert. But it seems to me that the Colts would be much better off trading the pick if they can get back multiple 1st round and other picks. Luck is obviously not going to make them a good team in the next few years without a whole lotta help, right?

So why is my thinking wrong? Is it because it is easy to acquire loads of talent via free agency, but not a good QB? Even if that is the case, if we look at the best QBs in the league right now, we see a bunch of guys (other than Peyton Manning) who were not top picks. Rogers, Brady, Brees.

I haven't followed them much, but it seemed like when Peyton went down they went from great to poor. Did they lose a bunch of other pieces at the same time?

[Jacob]

I haven't followed them much, but it seemed like when Peyton went down they went from great to poor. Did they lose a bunch of other pieces at the same time?

I guess they were 10-6 last year. But Luck isn't Manning, and if he ever is, it is several years away, at which time, Manning's team won't be around any more. I don't know what other personnel changes they had after last year. But it's hard to believe that a team goes from superbowl to 10-6 to 1-15 just because the QB got injured.

[Top Ute]

Forgive me for being a non-follower of the NFL draft and no NFL expert. But it seems to me that the Colts would be much better off trading the pick if they can get back multiple 1st round and other picks. Luck is obviously not going to make them a good team in the next few years without a whole lotta help, right?

So why is my thinking wrong? Is it because it is easy to acquire loads of talent via free agency, but not a good QB? Even if that is the case, if we look at the best QBs in the league right now, we see a bunch of guys (other than Peyton Manning) who were not top picks. Rogers, Brady, Brees.

Connect the dots I've outlined for you.

As for the QBs mentioned, Rogers and Brees were the 2nd QBs taken in their respective drafts (2005 and 2001). They're certainly top picks at their position. Brady is a huge outlier and really shouldn't be part of the discussion.

[Color Me Badd Fan]

Polian is one of the best executives in the NFL. He ran the Bill during their run in the early 90s, he ran Carolina during the first 3 years of existence when they made it to the NFC chamipionship and now look what he has done with Indy.

Players Polian has drafted:

Edgerrin James
Reggie Wayne
Peyton Manning
Dwight Freeney
Robert Mathis


He has also discovered the following undrafted FA:

Jeff Saturday
Dominic Rhodes
Terrence Wilkins
Raheem Brock
Gary Brackett
Ben Utecht
Ryan Lilja
Melvin Bullitt


Sorry but the guy is a witch in the front office and Indy is making a huge mistake.

His son is now involved and by all accounts he's an idiot. Also you're going back through something like 15 drafts. The Peyton Manning pick alone defines the era. Finally, the last 5-6 drafts have been terrible enough to produce a 2-14 team. Pittsburgh and New England have been drafting in the same spots and they went a combined 25-7.

[Color Me Badd Fan]

Forgive me for being a non-follower of the NFL draft and no NFL expert. But it seems to me that the Colts would be much better off trading the pick if they can get back multiple 1st round and other picks. Luck is obviously not going to make them a good team in the next few years without a whole lotta help, right?

So why is my thinking wrong? Is it because it is easy to acquire loads of talent via free agency, but not a good QB? Even if that is the case, if we look at the best QBs in the league right now, we see a bunch of guys (other than Peyton Manning) who were not top picks. Rogers, Brady, Brees.

The Packers selected Rogers when Favre was about the same age as Manning is right now. The Packers as a result will end up with something like 25 straight years of good to great QB play (if you ignore a couple of the shitty Favre years). Correspondingly, the Packers will be relevant for a large percentage of those years.

The Colts now have the same opportunity and they shouldn't screw it up.

[DrumNFeather]

St. Louis will Trade the #2 pick...the question is, to whom?

Cleveland and Washington are the frontrunners. Cleveland has more immediate fire power, but Washington is likely willing to give up more to get up to 2 to get RGIII.

Miami and Seattle could be players in this as well.

It behooves the rams to make a move before free agency starts and the crop of teams looking at RGIII thins out...but if they can keep two teams bidding, they could potentially score 3 number 1 picks for their pick.

When the Giants traded for Eli, they traded two firsts a 3rd and a 5th. Whatever the price the Rams end up demanding, this trade will be unprecidented.

Personally, I think the Skins need to do whatever it takes to get him, because if they don't and then can't move down, I think they'll end up taking Tannehill at 6.

[Donuthole]

St. Louis will Trade the #2 pick...the question is, to whom?

Cleveland and Washington are the frontrunners. Cleveland has more immediate fire power, but Washington is likely willing to give up more to get up to 2 to get RGIII.

Miami and Seattle could be players in this as well.

It behooves the rams to make a move before free agency starts and the crop of teams looking at RGIII thins out...but if they can keep two teams bidding, they could potentially score 3 number 1 picks for their pick.

When the Giants traded for Eli, they traded two firsts a 3rd and a 5th. Whatever the price the Rams end up demanding, this trade will be unprecidented.

Personally, I think the Skins need to do whatever it takes to get him, because if they don't and then can't move down, I think they'll end up taking Tannehill at 6.

FYI, I read about rumors of a trade involving Denver, Jacksonville and Cleveland which would land Tebow in Jacksonville along with, Cleveland some extra draft picks and a move down to 7, and Denver with Cleveland's No 4 pick, which they would then package with some picks and players to Move up to No. 2.

As a Denver fan, I'd love to get Griffin, but they need all the picks they can get to help their defense (which was significantly overrated, despite all the claims that the D carried them down the stretch).

[SoCalCoug]

St. Louis will Trade the #2 pick...the question is, to whom?

Cleveland and Washington are the frontrunners. Cleveland has more immediate fire power, but Washington is likely willing to give up more to get up to 2 to get RGIII.

Miami and Seattle could be players in this as well.

It behooves the rams to make a move before free agency starts and the crop of teams looking at RGIII thins out...but if they can keep two teams bidding, they could potentially score 3 number 1 picks for their pick.

When the Giants traded for Eli, they traded two firsts a 3rd and a 5th. Whatever the price the Rams end up demanding, this trade will be unprecidented.

Personally, I think the Skins need to do whatever it takes to get him, because if they don't and then can't move down, I think they'll end up taking Tannehill at 6.

I watched a brief interview Mooch did with RGIII on NFL network yesterday. He comes across as very bright with a good grasp of the QB position. I thought he was really impressive. With his athleticism and intelligence, he's going to make some team really happy.

[UtahDan]

St. Louis will Trade the #2 pick...the question is, to whom?

Cleveland and Washington are the frontrunners. Cleveland has more immediate fire power, but Washington is likely willing to give up more to get up to 2 to get RGIII.

Miami and Seattle could be players in this as well.

It behooves the rams to make a move before free agency starts and the crop of teams looking at RGIII thins out...but if they can keep two teams bidding, they could potentially score 3 number 1 picks for their pick.

When the Giants traded for Eli, they traded two firsts a 3rd and a 5th. Whatever the price the Rams end up demanding, this trade will be unprecidented.

Personally, I think the Skins need to do whatever it takes to get him, because if they don't and then can't move down, I think they'll end up taking Tannehill at 6.

You know I have been a big fan of how conservative the Skins have been in recent years but I do think there is a time for pushing all your chips to the middle of the table. This seems like one of those moments to me.

[pellegrino]

You know I have been a big fan of how conservative the Skins have been in recent years but I do think there is a time for pushing all your chips to the middle of the table. This seems like one of those moments to me.

still sad that Beck didn't work out.