The Official Jimmerphilia Thread

[cougjunkie]

Jimmer coming up on PTI.

[BGRTHNUMEGO]

Mark Price has been brought up several times now as a comparison to Jimmer. But I'm not buying Locke's explanation that Price was a better pure PG in college. He never averaged more than 4 apg in 4 years of college, and based on the way ACC fans talk about him it sounds like he was a lot like Jimmer or Steph Curry, a scorer playing PG.

Locke tweeted earlier that he didn't like a Jimmer/Curry comparison because Curry is bigger and a better pure point. Curry measured 6'3" in shoes at the combine, didn't test extremely well in the athletic testing, and the criticism he got constantly while at Davidson was that he was just a scorer and not a lead guard.

I think the comparisons to Price and Curry are both more accurate than going with House or Terry. The last two are light, ultra-quick guards with lightning releases. But Jimmer, like Price and Curry, is much more crafty, will score more off the dribble and in the lane, and has shown the ability to create open looks for teammates and to initiate an offense.

[cougjunkie]

Kornheiser compares him to Scott Skiles. Wilbon compares him to Lindsey Hunter.

Wilbon says Jimmer can take them to the final four.

Also Kornheiser says you can tell he learned his game on the NY blacktops and that he thinks his game will translate just fine to the NBA.

They then mentioned Devin Durant saying he was a big man but a similar dominant player at BYU but Georgetown took him out of the game in the NCAA tournament.

[cougjunkie]

Mark Price has been brought up several times now as a comparison to Jimmer. But I'm not buying Locke's explanation that Price was a better pure PG in college. He never averaged more than 4 apg in 4 years of college, and based on the way ACC fans talk about him it sounds like he was a lot like Jimmer or Steph Curry, a scorer playing PG.

Locke tweeted earlier that he didn't like a Jimmer/Curry comparison because Curry is bigger and a better pure point. Curry measured 6'3" in shoes at the combine, didn't test extremely well in the athletic testing, and the criticism he got constantly while at Davidson was that he was just a scorer and not a lead guard.

I think the comparisons to Price and Curry are both more accurate than going with House or Terry. The last two are light, ultra-quick guards with lightning releases. But Jimmer, like Price and Curry, is much more crafty, will score more off the dribble and in the lane, and has shown the ability to create open looks for teammates and to initiate an offense.

He is also comparing catch and shoot guys like Stoudemire, Almond and Gary Neal to a guy that can create his own shot like Jimmer.

[BGRTHNUMEGO]

Jimmer Fredette is a "Bad White Boy"!

That was Jeff Chatman's tweet after the game. ESPN says Jordan Chatman is a 6'4" PG...is he really playing point for his high school team at that size?

[Flystripper]

Mark Price has been brought up several times now as a comparison to Jimmer. But I'm not buying Locke's explanation that Price was a better pure PG in college. He never averaged more than 4 apg in 4 years of college, and based on the way ACC fans talk about him it sounds like he was a lot like Jimmer or Steph Curry, a scorer playing PG.

Locke tweeted earlier that he didn't like a Jimmer/Curry comparison because Curry is bigger and a better pure point. Curry measured 6'3" in shoes at the combine, didn't test extremely well in the athletic testing, and the criticism he got constantly while at Davidson was that he was just a scorer and not a lead guard.

I think the comparisons to Price and Curry are both more accurate than going with House or Terry. The last two are light, ultra-quick guards with lightning releases. But Jimmer, like Price and Curry, is much more crafty, will score more off the dribble and in the lane, and has shown the ability to create open looks for teammates and to initiate an offense.

Jimmer has strength like Andre Miller and range like Steph Curry. I think he has a great chance at the next level. Not an NBA superstar but certainly more than serviceable if drafted into the right situation.

Honestly I don't care about Jimmer's NBA prospects. He is so exciting and fun to watch as a college player that I can't bring myself to spend much time thinking about the NBA.

[cougjunkie]

MikeWaters admits that right now he could no longer check Jimmer. But when Jimmer was a frosh "He would shut that fat-boy down"

I miss MW.

[Flystripper]

MikeWaters admits that right now he could no longer check Jimmer. But when Jimmer was a frosh "He would shut that fat-boy down"

I miss MW.

oh man. hilarious

[MarkGrace]

I think the comparisons to Price and Curry are both more accurate than going with House or Terry. The last two are light, ultra-quick guards with lightning releases. But Jimmer, like Price and Curry, is much more crafty, will score more off the dribble and in the lane, and has shown the ability to create open looks for teammates and to initiate an offense.

I think House is this best comparison I've read so far.

[BGRTHNUMEGO]

I think House is this best comparison I've read so far.

In terms of what you think Jimmer will be in the NBA, or as far as comparable games/styles in college? IIRC, I don't think House did much ball handling in the offense in college, but was used much more just coming off picks and playing off the ball to free him for a jumper. Even if college he was almost strictly a jump shooter. That's why I think Jimmer plays much more like Curry did at Davidson.

IIRC, when House scored 61 points in college he only had something like 7 points in the first 10 minutes.

[MarkGrace]

I don't remember House in college, but I don't think the comparison is very accurate based on what I've seen of House in the NBA. In the NBA, House has essentially been a catch and shoot guy. In fact, I can't remember ever seeing him take someone off the dribble. Maybe that's just because he's old and he was never very relevant as an NBA player when he was in his prime.

I think in most of these comparisons people are comparing what they know of an NBA player what they know of Jimmer in college. I think most of the discussion from analysts linked here is a comparison of what they think he could be in the pros.

House was a lead guard and explosive scorer, and wasn't limited to just catch-and-shoots. You don't average 24 ppg and go for 60 in the PAC-10 if you are limited to catch-and-shoot. He was/is quicker than Jimmer, but his handle was way too loose to be able to go at guys in the NBA, thus he became a strictly catch-and-shoot guy in the league.

I haven't watched Jimmer this year other than highlights, but from what I saw of him at the end of last year his dribble was not very tight under pressure, and that's going to be problematic. IOW, I really just don't see him being able to go at guys with a dribble in the NBA. Right now the way he gets into the lane against college guys actually reminds me a bit of how Deron does it in the pros. He doesn't have blow-by quicks (not even at the college level), but the fact that he shoots it well midrange and out forces the defender up on him, so he only needs just a fraction of a step to get by his guy. Once he gets that fraction he can put the defender on his hip and beat him because he's got decent size and strength for this level. Plus, like Deron, he's pretty crafty and changing speeds with hesitations and of course has that great crossover dribble that can set things up for him (though his crossover is a lot looser than Deron's right now).

To me he does all these things at just a passing level in college, and I don't see it happening in the NBA. In my opinion he becomes most a catch-and-shoot type at the next level, just like House. To me a House-type is the kind of guy that has to be making shots to give you anything at all, and I think Jimmer is going to be the same way.

[New Mexican Disaster]

Kornheiser compares him to Scott Skiles. Wilbon compares him to Lindsey Hunter.

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Skiles is the best comparison I have heard. I think he takes it to the tin more than Skiles did-but then again I was only 10 during his senior year.

Also, Jimmer really creates his own shot with the pullups and step backs in a way that Eddie House has not on the next level. The question is whether Jimmer can do this on the next level.

[Flystripper]

In terms of what you think Jimmer will be in the NBA, or as far as comparable games/styles in college? IIRC, I don't think House did much ball handling in the offense in college, but was used much more just coming off picks and playing off the ball to free him for a jumper. Even if college he was almost strictly a jump shooter. That's why I think Jimmer plays much more like Curry did at Davidson.

IIRC, when House scored 61 points in college he only had something like 7 points in the first 10 minutes.

If you are going to force me to think about this instead of basking in Jimmerglow, I think Steph Curry is a better comparison as well. Not perfect since Curry is probably a little quicker laterally, but Jimmer is definitely stronger than Curry. I think when people evaluate Jimmer's athleticism they usually discount just how strong he is. The guy can finish incredibly well with contact which is an invaluable skill in the NBA.

[kccougar]

Are there really only 7 home games left in Jimmer's career? That's sad.

[CJF]

I don't remember House in college, but I don't think the comparison is very accurate based on what I've seen of House in the NBA. In the NBA, House has essentially been a catch and shoot guy. In fact, I can't remember ever seeing him take someone off the dribble. Maybe that's just because he's old and he was never very relevant as an NBA player when he was in his prime.

One thing I remember about House was that BYU absolutely shut him down one game. I will have to look but it seems like House was something like 0 for 15 or 1 for 15 in that game.

Just looked it. 5 points on 0 for 16 from the field.