2015-2016 College Basketball Thread

[Jeff Lebowski]

Definitely not unfortunate since it screwed over Oklahoma.

[Moliere]

Ok. So the official imposed the imaginary restraining line but then didn't monitor it. He should have stopped play and assessed a delay of game warning on Kansas when the defender stepped forward. Unfortunate to have that kind of error at that level.

Definitely not unfortunate since it screwed over Oklahoma.

[Omaha 680]

Just watched ESPN's analysis of the inbound play this morning and the post-game press conference with the KU player. ESPN basically agreed with you on the following points:

1. KU's gym doesn't give any room on the side line.
2. The official should have told the player to step back and did so before the play (the KU player stated as much in the press conference).
3. The official should have stopped the play and make the KU player step back but he didn't do so.

The KU player in the press conference said that the official told him to step back before the play but as the play started he took a step forward.

Ok. So the official imposed the imaginary restraining line but then didn't monitor it. He should have stopped play and assessed a delay of game warning on Kansas when the defender stepped forward. Unfortunate to have that kind of error at that level.

[BigFatMeanie]

Thanks, that view clears it up quite a bit. It certainly looks like there is less than 3 feet of space behind the sideline. If the court is not marked with a restraining line, the official is supposed to impose an imaginary restraining line 3 feet on the court side of the out of bounds line that serves as the boundary line during the throwin until the ball crosses that imaginary line. In other words, it still isn't the defender's responsibility. The official should have imposed the imaginary line before the throw-in started (unless they did so before the game on a blanket basis). So either the official administering the throwin messed up by not imposing the restraining line at the time of the throwin, or messed up by not giving a delay warning (or technical for second offense) for crossing the plane of the imaginary restraining line. Caveat: this is assuming there isn't some kind of exception to this 3 foot rule in certain college venues and that the rule exists in college. The officials that would be assigned to a game like this would have a ton of experience so I would hope they would get a basic court issue like this correct.

Giving them the benefit of the doubt that the 3 foot rule is somehow different in college or there is an exception I don't know about, it still appears that the defender crossed the plane of the sideline. So at a minimum I believe the official missed a delay warning (or technical for second offense) for reaching through the plane of the boundary line on a throw in. I didn't see the contact after watching both views.

Just watched ESPN's analysis of the inbound play this morning and the post-game press conference with the KU player. ESPN basically agreed with you on the following points:

1. KU's gym doesn't give any room on the side line.
2. The official should have told the player to step back and did so before the play (the KU player stated as much in the press conference).
3. The official should have stopped the play and make the KU player step back but he didn't do so.

The KU player in the press conference said that the official told him to step back before the play but as the play started he took a step forward.

[smokymountainrain]

Either way, that KU/OU game was a lot of fun to watch. Fun watching two teams led by and full of juniors and seniors who also happen to be really good college basketball players with NBA ability.

[New Mexican Disaster]

Bullshit. You liar. This whole board has basically become a We Hate the Utes board. This must be what the Telestial Kingdom is like.

I have to admit I have gone from kind of liking the Utes to bent secure in the knowledge that they will rot in hell the past few years.

[SeattleUte]

You're posting yourself out of the CS hall of fame. What happened to you?

Touche!

About the Kansas-OU game. I think that Kruger was negligent in calling a timeout before that inbounds pass. He kept doing this and may have cost his team the game. In college basketball, there are far too many timeouts. I'd only call them (especially if I had a bunch of ESPN 100 guys) (1) to avoid a turnover, or (2) to try to reverse momentum. Never to tell my guys what to do in any discrete possession, which mostly benefits the other side by giving them a chance to collect themselves and defend comprehensively. Chaos is not a bad thing with talent and possession.

Designing a play for a last shot or a crucial possession rarely works but happens all too often. Kodiak falls prey to this. Let the kids play! It's not the coaches who make the plays.

[Omaha 680]

Bullshit. You liar. This whole board has basically become a We Hate the Utes board. This must be what the Telestial Kingdom is like.

You're posting yourself out of the CS hall of fame. What happened to you?

[Omaha 680]

Im going to go ahead and say that he doesn't have 3 feet to work with there. Also, while the actual tip ofhe ball may occur in the court side of the plane, 2-3 times the defenders arms go deep into the out of bounds plane and within inches of the inbounder, hitting him at least once. Also, the defender lands on the line at least once while defending the pass. Here is the overhead angle
https://vimeo.com/150754415

Thanks, that view clears it up quite a bit. It certainly looks like there is less than 3 feet of space behind the sideline. If the court is not marked with a restraining line, the official is supposed to impose an imaginary restraining line 3 feet on the court side of the out of bounds line that serves as the boundary line during the throwin until the ball crosses that imaginary line. In other words, it still isn't the defender's responsibility. The official should have imposed the imaginary line before the throw-in started (unless they did so before the game on a blanket basis). So either the official administering the throwin messed up by not imposing the restraining line at the time of the throwin, or messed up by not giving a delay warning (or technical for second offense) for crossing the plane of the imaginary restraining line. Caveat: this is assuming there isn't some kind of exception to this 3 foot rule in certain college venues and that the rule exists in college. The officials that would be assigned to a game like this would have a ton of experience so I would hope they would get a basic court issue like this correct.

Giving them the benefit of the doubt that the 3 foot rule is somehow different in college or there is an exception I don't know about, it still appears that the defender crossed the plane of the sideline. So at a minimum I believe the official missed a delay warning (or technical for second offense) for reaching through the plane of the boundary line on a throw in. I didn't see the contact after watching both views.

[SeattleUte]

Normally it wouldn't even be on my radar

Bullshit. You liar. This whole board has basically become a We Hate the Utes board. This must be what the Telestial Kingdom is like.

[Donuthole]

I can't see the end line. On which side of the inbounds line did the contact occur? If the defender reached through the plane and contacted the inbounder I believe it should have been an intentional foul. If it was on the court side then I believe it's a no call. Also if the inbounds player has at least 3 feet of space behind the line, the defender has no obligation to provide space beyond staying on his side of the line.

These are high school rules so someone correct me if college is different.

Edit: sorry not end line, side line. Watched it on a tiny window on my phone and didn't notice the area of the court. My points stand

Im going to go ahead and say that he doesn't have 3 feet to work with there. Also, while the actual tip ofhe ball may occur in the court side of the plane, 2-3 times the defenders arms go deep into the out of bounds plane and within inches of the inbounder, hitting him at least once. Also, the defender lands on the line at least once while defending the pass. Here is the overhead angle
https://vimeo.com/150754415

[Omaha 680]

Refs pretty much throwing the rule book out the window in 3OT? The inbounding player had less than a few inches to pass the ball on that key turnover. Seldon actually touched the inbounder as he was guarding the pass.
https://vimeo.com/150753186

I can't see the end line. On which side of the inbounds line did the contact occur? If the defender reached through the plane and contacted the inbounder I believe it should have been an intentional foul. If it was on the court side then I believe it's a no call. Also if the inbounds player has at least 3 feet of space behind the line, the defender has no obligation to provide space beyond staying on his side of the line.

These are high school rules so someone correct me if college is different.

Edit: sorry not end line, side line. Watched it on a tiny window on my phone and didn't notice the area of the court. My points stand

[Donuthole]

2015-2016 College Basketball Thread

Refs pretty much throwing the rule book out the window in 3OT? The inbounding player had less than a few inches to pass the ball on that key turnover. Seldon actually touched the inbounder as he was guarding the pass.
https://vimeo.com/150753186

[Art Vandelay]

Kansas-Oklahoma is best college game I've watched in a long time

[cougjunkie]

Normally it wouldn't even be on my radar, but I'm at the in laws this weekend, and they have been pretty damn insufferable of late. So I rather enjoyed the meltdown.

BTW, it is cold as eff in these parts; wind chill of -1 today.

Bitter cold the last few days. I don't even want to leave my house.