last night Andre Miller moved to 11th on the NBA All Time Assists Leaders ...

[UtahDan]

You're right. Let's get it back on track.

After watching Andre's final game in the Huntsman Center his senior season, I bumped into Andre and his mom and a bunch of family at TGIF on Foothill drive. He asked me to take their picture in the lobby, which I did with hands still trembling from the excitement of the game. Andre was gracious and friendly, but me shooting the breeze with him didn't help me score with the girl I was out with. I think she was hoping Andre would move in, even though he was there with a girlfriend of his own.

The team used to always go there after home games. Or frequently anyway. Super and I went there all the time just to bump into them.

[Solon]

Worst thread jack ever. Not pointing exclusively at you Solon.

You're right. Let's get it back on track.

After watching Andre's final game in the Huntsman Center his senior season, I bumped into Andre and his mom and a bunch of family at TGIF on Foothill drive. He asked me to take their picture in the lobby, which I did with hands still trembling from the excitement of the game. Andre was gracious and friendly, but me shooting the breeze with him didn't help me score with the girl I was out with. I think she was hoping Andre would move in, even though he was there with a girlfriend of his own.

[Top Ute]

I believe there are several kinds of irony. If my memory of seventh-grade English class serves me right, there's verbal irony, situational irony, and dramatic irony.

Verbal irony is pretty much just sarcasm, when the meaning is the opposite of the literal.

Dramatic irony is when, in drama, the audience knows something that the character does not.

Situational irony is when an action produces the opposite of or very different from its intended effect or expected outcome (e.g., the fire-station burning down, or a broken front door at the Home Depot). In this regard, I think Alanis' song has a few examples of irony (e.g., a free ride when you've already paid).

I believe LA Ute was referring to the situational irony of BYU fans pointing out the achievement of a Ute. Not completely opposite, but still contrary to expected action from a BYU-fan.

Also, FWIW, I believe the term "ironic" derives from ancient Greek.

Worst thread jack ever. Not pointing exclusively at you Solon.

[Solon]

I believe there are several kinds of irony. If my memory of seventh-grade English class serves me right, there's verbal irony, situational irony, and dramatic irony.

Verbal irony is pretty much just sarcasm, when the meaning is the opposite of the literal.

Dramatic irony is when, in drama, the audience knows something that the character does not.

Situational irony is when an action produces the opposite of or very different from its intended effect or expected outcome (e.g., the fire-station burning down, or a broken front door at the Home Depot). In this regard, I think Alanis' song has a few examples of irony (e.g., a free ride when you've already paid).

I believe LA Ute was referring to the situational irony of BYU fans pointing out the achievement of a Ute. Not completely opposite, but still contrary to expected action from a BYU-fan.

Also, FWIW, I believe the term "ironic" derives from ancient Greek.

[LA Ute]

lol.

It is "uh-oh," Moran, not "oh-oh."

Ruh-roh.

[DU Ute]

lol.

It is "uh-oh," Moran, not "oh-oh."

Not if he's getting excited.

[TripletDaddy]

Oh-oh. Another undergrad accounting major.

lol.

It is "uh-oh," Moran, not "oh-oh."

[LA Ute]

it is too late. you already tried to clarify your claim by citing to the Jimmermania thread as evidence of the "irony." huge fail.

Oh-oh. Another undergrad accounting major.

[TripletDaddy]

Well, we all know irony can never be funny. Please educate me a bit more.

it is too late. you already tried to clarify your claim by citing to the Jimmermania thread as evidence of the "irony." huge fail.

[LA Ute]

I think that is a fair statement, yes. Donute is making two observations, one about the Utes and one about BYU. His first statement would be ironic if your assumption were true. The irony would be heightened if, in fact, BYU fans were also inept at promoting their own.

The Jimmermania thread observation actually weakens the claim that Donute's comment was ironic.

LA Ute has since changed his categorization from "ironic" to "funny" so I think the issue is now moot.

Well, we all know irony can never be funny. Please educate me a bit more.

[TripletDaddy]

3D, just to make sure I get your point, if it were true that Ute fans are more effective than BYU fans at promoting their former stars would Donut's comment be ironic? (Note that LA has actually acknowledge the converse is true, noting the Jimmermania thread.)

I think that is a fair statement, yes. Donute is making two observations, one about the Utes and one about BYU. His first statement would be ironic if your assumption were true. The irony would be heightened if, in fact, BYU fans were also inept at promoting their own.

The Jimmermania thread observation actually weakens the claim that Donute's comment was ironic.

LA Ute has since changed his categorization from "ironic" to "funny" so I think the issue is now moot.

[LA Ute]

Ironic means having to do with irons, doesn't it? But I am not sure whether we are talking about this kind of iron:



or this kind:



Then again it could be this kind:



See? I'm on top of this. "Ironic" certainly couldn't refer to a BYU fan chastizing Utah fans about their inability to hype a former player for their school beyond all reason, as if that were an admirable skill. Socrates would never do such a thing.

[SeattleUte]

3D, just to make sure I get your point, if it were true that Ute fans are more effective than BYU fans at promoting their former stars would Donut's comment be ironic? (Note that LA has actually acknowledge the converse is true, noting the Jimmermania thread.)

[TripletDaddy]

in a way that gets under your skin and you can't leave alone?

no.

[DU Ute]

LA Ute owns me in the same way Viking ignores me.

in a way that gets under your skin and you can't leave alone?