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  • SeattleUte
    Faith crisis consultant
    • Nov 2008
    • 20837

    #1

    What Utefans can do to help recover our program's greatness

    Utefans, you can't coach, you can't play. So there's nothing you can do for our basketball program. Right? Wrong! Here's what worked for me last time--an extended deep freeze of apathy.

    As a senior in college I watched the Utes shock the nation by knocking off top seeded UCLA and making it to the Sweet 16 after getting the only WAC NCAA bid. Jerry Pimm shortly thereafter left in disgust at the ill-tempered and ungrateful fan base, for UC Santa Barbara. Arnie Ferrin panicked and hired Pimm's top assistant, Lynn Archibald. I left college for law school a rabid Ute basketball fan, but with low expectations for the future. I knew about Archibald's past coaching experience at Idaho State before he was fired, and that the best players were graduating. So I was not happy with our AD, and my expectations were very low.

    But my destination was Georgetown, and those were heady days for the Hoyas. My first year of law school they won a national championship. A Final Two (and a painful upset loss to Villanova in the title game) followed. I got married, moved to a new state, started my career and my family, and the Hoyas kept on trucking with the Reggie Williams teams, etc. Meanwhile, the Utes were losing, meeting my low expectations. I basically put Utah basketball out of my mind. I almost forgot about the Utes, which spared me a lot of pain.

    Then in 1989 Georgetown played Ball State in the second round of the NCAA playoffs. I remember four things about that game. First, Ball State had a gaudy record, 29-2 or something. Second, Georgetown was heavily favored because, well, it was a Big East team, and Ball State hadn't played anybody. Third, to my irritation, Ball State hung close the entire game, and the Hoyas damn near lost a close game. Fourth, Ball State's coach was so enormously fat he was shocking to the eye. I had never before heard of or seen Rick Majerus.

    A few weeks later, I heard that Chris Hill finally fired Lynn Archibald and had hired that same fat coach who was at Ball State. I'd be lying if I said I wasn't concerned that we'd lose some cool points with such an enormously fat coach. I didn't think much about my basketball Utes for a number of months, until next thing I knew, they were themselves sporting a gaudy record . . . .

    So, you see, the Utes need your apathy right now, not your pain, not you bitching. Just forget about them for awhile and things will work out. What else can you do! I hope you've got a good auxiliary team to turn to.

    As for me, this season the Hoyas have a constellation of fabulous young talent, they have beaten two ranked teams showing a lot of grit down the wire, and are now themselves ranked. I'm looking forward to seeing how far JTIII's extremely young and retooled new team will go this season.
    Last edited by SeattleUte; 12-09-2011, 05:40 PM.
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  • DU Ute
    RIP CUF
    • Dec 2008
    • 7393

    #2
    You can just come right out and say you are a fair-weather fan. You don't need to try to justify it for our benefit.
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    • myboynoah
      Senior Member
      • Nov 2008
      • 21719

      #3
      UofUtah Fans, follow SU's adive and example. Find another program to follow and support during this downtime. Our arms are open wide.
      Give 'em Hell, Cougars!!!

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      Not long ago an obituary appeared in the Salt Lake Tribune that said the recently departed had "died doing what he enjoyed most—watching BYU lose."

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      • UtahJazzFan88
        Jazz | Utes | Raiders
        • Oct 2011
        • 1678

        #4
        Buy tickets to the Idaho State came in hopes of getting that vaunted 2nd win against a 2-6 Big Sky team!

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        • Goatnapper'96
          Senior Member
          • Nov 2008
          • 10920

          #5
          Originally posted by myboynoah View Post
          UofUtah Fans, follow SU's adive and example. Find another program to follow and support during this downtime. Our arms are open wide.
          I disagree re-reaching the pinnacle is so fulfilling after so long in the valley of shadow. Utah will recover. I remember when they fired Giacolletti because he led the worst team ever in Utah history.
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          • San Juan Sun
            Kicked to the curb
            • Dec 2009
            • 9214

            #6
            So SU wants Ute fans to bandwagon some good team back East until Krysto goes out with an Archibald-like whimper?

            Inspiring advice.
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            • TripletDaddy
              sweet triple
              • Nov 2008
              • 58186

              #7
              Originally posted by SeattleUte View Post
              Utefans, you can't coach, you can't play. So there's nothing you can do for our basketball program. Right? Wrong! Here's what worked for me last time--an extended deep freeze of apathy.

              As a senior college I watched the Utes shock the nation by knocking off top seeded UCLA and making it to the Sweet 16 after getting the only WAC NCAA bid. Jerry Pimm shortly thereafter left in disgust at the ill-tempered and ungrateful fan base, for UC Santa Barbara. Arnie Ferrin panicked and hired Pimm's top assistant, Lynn Archibald. I left college for law school a rabid Ute basketball fan, but with low expectations for the future. I knew about Archibald's past coaching experience at Idaho State before he was fired, and that the best players were graduating. So I was not happy with our AD, and my expectations were very low.

              But my destination was Georgetown, and those were heady days for the Hoyas. My first year of law school they won a national championship. A Final Two (and a painful upset loss to Villanova in the title game) followed. I got married, moved to a new state, started my career and my family, and the Hoyas kept on trucking with the Reggie Williams teams, etc. Meanwhile, the Utes were losing, meeting my low expectations. I basically put Utah basketball out of my mind. I almost forgot about the Utes, which spared me a lot of pain.

              Then in 1989 Georgetown played Ball State in the second round of the NCAA playoffs. I remember four things about that game. First, Ball State had a gaudy record, 29-2 or something. Second, Georgetown was heavily favored because, well, it was a Big East team, and Ball State hadn't played anybody. Third, to my irritation, Ball State hung close the entire game, and the Hoyas damn near lost a close game. Fourth, Ball State's coach was so enormously fat he was shocking to the eye. I had never before heard of or seen Rick Majerus.

              A few weeks later, I heard that Chris Hill finally fired Lynn Archibald and had hired that same fat coach who was at Ball State. I'd be lying if I said I wasn't concerned that we'd lose some cool points with such an enormously fat coach. I didn't think much about my basketball Utes for a number of months, until next thing I knew, they were themselves sporting a gaudy record . . . .

              So, you see, the Utes need your apathy right now, not your pain, not you bitching. Just forget about them for awhile and things will work out. What else can you do! I hope you've got a good auxiliary team to turn to.

              As for me, this season the Hoyas have a constellation of fabulous young talent, they have beaten two ranked teams showing a lot of grit down the wire, and are now themselves ranked. I'm looking forward to seeing how far JTIII's extremely young and retooled new team will go this season.


              Worst post of all time. Should be offensive to anyone that considers themselves a fan of any team.
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              • Jarid in Cedar
                CS Institutional Memory
                • Jun 2009
                • 13234

                #8
                I think I will stick with my current plan.
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                • il Padrino Ute
                  Junior Member
                  • Nov 2008
                  • 19161

                  #9
                  What a pathetic post.

                  A real fan sticks with a team during the lowest of times.
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                  • Jeff Lebowski
                    Corporate lackey for Jesus
                    • Nov 2008
                    • 69583

                    #10
                    Originally posted by il Padrino Ute View Post
                    What a pathetic post.

                    A real fan sticks with a team during the lowest of times.


                    Seriously, Steve Cleveland gets a bad rap sometimes but it is incredible how he brought the program back so quickly. Utah will be fine eventually.
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                    • Jacob
                      Junior Member
                      • Oct 2009
                      • 6801

                      #11
                      Hmm. The post seems entirely unrelated to the thread title.

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                      • U-Ute
                        Non member
                        • Aug 2009
                        • 2071

                        #12
                        U-Ute does not agree with this post.

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                        • il Padrino Ute
                          Junior Member
                          • Nov 2008
                          • 19161

                          #13
                          Originally posted by Jeff Lebowski View Post


                          Seriously, Steve Cleveland gets a bad rap sometimes but it is incredible how he brought the program back so quickly. Utah will be fine eventually.
                          Utah fans got spoiled during the late 90s, but most fail to recognize that Utah's best years were about a 4 year stretch. If that's what fans expect it to be at all times - which is the case for SU - then they'll be in for a huge disappointment.

                          It will take a bit of time for any coach to breathe any life into this current Utah program. For now, I'll just cheer for the team and not let losses get me down. It could even be fun to embrace the ineptitude - it certainly made the 80s in football more bearable.
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                          • Top Ute
                            Junior Member
                            • May 2010
                            • 2194

                            #14
                            Originally posted by il Padrino Ute View Post
                            Utah fans got spoiled during the late 90s, but most fail to recognize that Utah's best years were about a 4 year stretch. If that's what fans expect it to be at all times - which is the case for SU - then they'll be in for a huge disappointment.

                            It will take a bit of time for any coach to breathe any life into this current Utah program. For now, I'll just cheer for the team and not let losses get me down. It could even be fun to embrace the ineptitude - it certainly made the 80s in football more bearable.
                            1996-1999 is far from Utah's only great stretch. 1955-62 ranks high, as does 1944-47. 1979-83 rates close, although the truly best teams flamed out in the postseason (save for the 1983 team, which didn't have anywhere near close the regular season record of past year's squads, and earned the WAC's last regular-season NCAA bid -- it went to a conference tournament the following year). None of these stretches includes the 1966 Final Four team, which if there was an "anamoly" in Utah basketball history, this was it, as it was the only NCAA berth for Utah over a 16-year period.

                            About every 20 years, Utah catches fire and is a major player nationally. In between, it has almost always been a solid regional act. We'll never consistently approach the levels of Kentucky, UCLA, Duke, Kansas, Connecticut, North Carolina, etc., but historically, we're certainly in the class of your second-tier powers (Ohio State, Michigan, Arkansas, Oklahoma, St. John's, etc.)

                            Not counting the CBI in Boylen's second year, Utah is on a stretch of just one postseason bid in the last seven years -- a stretch of futility that's happened just once before at Utah (1967-73). Utah fans are not spoiled to expect better than that. But there's a solid medium between what we're experiencing now, and what we did for nearly a decade under Majerus.

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                            • SeattleUte
                              Faith crisis consultant
                              • Nov 2008
                              • 20837

                              #15
                              Originally posted by TripletDaddy View Post


                              Worst post of all time. Should be offensive to anyone that considers themselves a fan of any team.
                              lol where do you fan chauvenists get your credentials? Sitting in front of the boob tube for hours and hours?

                              Junkie is usually the one taking this approach. Your modus operandi would be to accuse me of bigtry against overweight people or chide me for speaking ill of the dead.

                              I know you zoobies want what Boylen did to Ute basketball to hurt me. It doesn't because I'm too strong. I have an iron constitution.
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