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  • #31
    Originally posted by LA Ute View Post
    Too many times in my working life I've had to fire younger lawyers. Usually the basic reason has been that regardless of the causes, the partners have lost confidence in the lawyer and it really is in the best interests of both sides of the relationship to move on, because the likelihood of restoring confidence was so minimal that it wasn't worth it to keep trying. That's pretty much where we were with Boylen, IMO. We can argue all we want about whether the decision was right, but it's all in the past now.
    Did you ever fire a young lawyer when it made vastly more financial sense to keep him for a season?

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    • #32
      Originally posted by Mr. Crimson View Post
      Did you ever fire a young lawyer when it made vastly more financial sense to keep him for a season?
      As a matter of fact, yes. Sometimes you have to look more than one year ahead and live with some short-term pain. Now go enjoy Father's Day.
      “There is a great deal of difference in believing something still, and believing it again.”
      ― W.H. Auden

      "God made the angels to show His splendour - as He made animals for innocence and plants for their simplicity. But men and women He made to serve Him wittily, in the tangle of their minds."
      -- Robert Bolt, A Man for All Seasons

      "It is only with the heart that one can see rightly; what is essential is invisible to the eye."
      --Antoine de Saint-Exupery

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      • #33
        Originally posted by LA Ute View Post
        As a matter of fact, yes. Sometimes you have to look more than one year ahead and live with some short-term pain. Now go enjoy Father's Day.
        Maybe this is how I enjoy Fathers Day.

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        • #34
          Originally posted by Mr. Crimson View Post
          Maybe this is how I enjoy Fathers Day.
          Knock yourself out, then.
          “There is a great deal of difference in believing something still, and believing it again.”
          ― W.H. Auden

          "God made the angels to show His splendour - as He made animals for innocence and plants for their simplicity. But men and women He made to serve Him wittily, in the tangle of their minds."
          -- Robert Bolt, A Man for All Seasons

          "It is only with the heart that one can see rightly; what is essential is invisible to the eye."
          --Antoine de Saint-Exupery

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          • #35
            Originally posted by LA Ute View Post
            Too many times in my working life I've had to fire younger lawyers. Usually the basic reason has been that regardless of the causes, the partners have lost confidence in the lawyer and it really is in the best interests of both sides of the relationship to move on, because the likelihood of restoring confidence was so minimal that it wasn't worth it to keep trying. That's pretty much where we were with Boylen, IMO. We can argue all we want about whether the decision was right, but it's all in the past now.
            Yes, it is in the past. The problem however is in who was hired to replace him. Instead of hiring someone with a good resume -- i.e., an established head coach like Bennett or Gottfried -- we hired a likeable guy with a questionable resume. This is at least somewhat surprising considering that we had done the same with the guy we just fired, apparently we did not learn anything from the experience. Finally, the first few months with this new guy have not been promising, thus making some of us question the hire even more. We have seen a mass exodus of players and a downgrade in talent with the players brought in to replace the players who left.

            You don't have to be a Boylen apologist to be concerned about the decisions that have been made. So I am getting a little bit tired of the Boylen red herring being thrown out to deflect from the bad job Larry K. is doing.
            Col. Klink: "Staff officers are so clever."
            Gen. Burkhalter: "Klink, I am a staff officer."
            Col. Klink: "I didn't mean you sir, you're not clever."

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            • #36
              Originally posted by Flattop View Post
              Yes, it is in the past. The problem however is in who was hired to replace him. Instead of hiring someone with a good resume -- i.e., an established head coach like Bennett or Gottfried -- we hired a likeable guy with a questionable resume. This is at least somewhat surprising considering that we had done the same with the guy we just fired, apparently we did not learn anything from the experience. Finally, the first few months with this new guy have not been promising, thus making some of us question the hire even more. We have seen a mass exodus of players and a downgrade in talent with the players brought in to replace the players who left.

              You don't have to be a Boylen apologist to be concerned about the decisions that have been made. So I am getting a little bit tired of the Boylen red herring being thrown out to deflect from the bad job Larry K. is doing.
              I agree with you somehow the response, well Boylen sucked has become a complete cover for any decision Larry has made? I don't quite get it.

              But I think LA unlike others here has a reasoned point, in that there is little to be done now, even I've said my peace, so all we can do it cross our fingers and hope it works.

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              • #37
                Originally posted by Mr. Crimson View Post
                I agree with you somehow the response, well Boylen sucked has become a complete cover for any decision Larry has made? I don't quite get it.

                But I think LA unlike others here has a reasoned point, in that there is little to be done now, even I've said my peace, so all we can do it cross our fingers and hope it works.
                I'm not happy with Krysto and Boylen sucking isn't a cover for his mistakes. However, I am happier going with the unknown quantity than the proven to suck quantity.
                As I lead this army, make room for mistakes and depression
                --Kendrick Lamar

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                • #38
                  Originally posted by mpfunk View Post
                  I'm not happy with Krysto and Boylen sucking isn't a cover for his mistakes. However, I am happier going with the unknown quantity than the proven to suck quantity.
                  Considering you don't really have a clue about anything happening on any sports court, why do we care about this?

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                  • #39
                    LA, once again you make an excellent point

                    Originally posted by LA Ute View Post
                    Too many times in my working life I've had to fire younger lawyers. Usually the basic reason has been that regardless of the causes, the partners have lost confidence in the lawyer and it really is in the best interests of both sides of the relationship to move on, because the likelihood of restoring confidence was so minimal that it wasn't worth it to keep trying. That's pretty much where we were with Boylen, IMO. We can argue all we want about whether the decision was right, but it's all in the past now.

                    And some of these lawyers who get fired move, find a niche and become successful in their new position. I've seen young lawyers who looked like absolute hacks move on and be successful in a different environment. Those same lawyers would have never excelled where they were. This is very similar to Boylen.

                    There has to be a reason why Boylen remained an assistant for so many years. He has now found an assistant job with the Lakers and he may end up being very successful in that spot.

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                    • #40
                      Originally posted by Flattop View Post
                      Yes, it is in the past. The problem however is in who was hired to replace him. Instead of hiring someone with a good resume -- i.e., an established head coach like Bennett or Gottfried -- we hired a likeable guy with a questionable resume. This is at least somewhat surprising considering that we had done the same with the guy we just fired, apparently we did not learn anything from the experience. Finally, the first few months with this new guy have not been promising, thus making some of us question the hire even more. We have seen a mass exodus of players and a downgrade in talent with the players brought in to replace the players who left.

                      You don't have to be a Boylen apologist to be concerned about the decisions that have been made. So I am getting a little bit tired of the Boylen red herring being thrown out to deflect from the bad job Larry K. is doing.

                      The guy with the questionable resume was head coach of the Milwaukee Bucks. I'm not sure it's as questionable as you make it out to be.

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                      • #41
                        Originally posted by two utes View Post
                        And some of these lawyers who get fired move, find a niche and become successful in their new position. I've seen young lawyers who looked like absolute hacks move on and be successful in a different environment. Those same lawyers would have never excelled where they were.
                        I have too. In fact, it is more often than not the case that the departed lawyer does better somewhere else. I hope that happens with Boylen. It did with Jim Fassell.
                        “There is a great deal of difference in believing something still, and believing it again.”
                        ― W.H. Auden

                        "God made the angels to show His splendour - as He made animals for innocence and plants for their simplicity. But men and women He made to serve Him wittily, in the tangle of their minds."
                        -- Robert Bolt, A Man for All Seasons

                        "It is only with the heart that one can see rightly; what is essential is invisible to the eye."
                        --Antoine de Saint-Exupery

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                        • #42
                          Originally posted by two utes View Post
                          The guy with the questionable resume was head coach of the Milwaukee Bucks. I'm not sure it's as questionable as you make it out to be.
                          Two years at Montana. One year with the Bucks. That may not be questionable, but it isn't that great either.
                          Col. Klink: "Staff officers are so clever."
                          Gen. Burkhalter: "Klink, I am a staff officer."
                          Col. Klink: "I didn't mean you sir, you're not clever."

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                          • #43
                            Originally posted by two utes View Post
                            The guy with the questionable resume was head coach of the Milwaukee Bucks. I'm not sure it's as questionable as you make it out to be.
                            Really, you're trying to sell his 12 second failure as Bucks coach as a positive. Really?

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