BYU vs Gonzaga Thread

[ERCougar]

wise guys are usually first movers. It take longer for armatures and fans to catch up. but the game is a pick'em

Except for events that everyone's watching. I think you could argue that with bracket pools, more people are paying attention to scores than the Super Bowl.

My theory anyway.

[HuskyFreeNorthwest]

Or as BYU -1

http://www.madduxsports.com/line_history.php?host=MADDUX&book=14&game=523&period=0&date=2011-03-19

(speaking of pointless pissing matches... )

I guess if you were at a sportsbook that doesn't use LVSC and was open between 7:49-7:59 AM you could have gotten that line.

[ERCougar]

Hey you guys that think Davies doesn't matter, remember when I said let's wait and see what Vegas puts the odds at.

Sagarin rankings (includes yesterday's games)
BYU #6 rating of 90.5
Gonzaga #33 rating of 84.6
implies BYU's a six point favorite

My estimation was no Davies drops us down to #28 which would be rating of 84.9 and puts the game at a pick em.

Sagarin's formula doesn't more heavily weight recent games, IIRC. Gonzaga's a different team than they were the first half of the season.

Pomeroy (whose formula does weight recent games) has us by 3.

[SeattleUte]

Hey you guys that think Davies doesn't matter, remember when I said let's wait and see what Vegas puts the odds at.

Sagarin rankings (includes yesterday's games)
BYU #6 rating of 90.5
Gonzaga #33 rating of 84.6
implies BYU's a six point favorite

My estimation was no Davies drops us down to #28 which would be rating of 84.9 and puts the game at a pick em.

This is the kind of idiocy I'm talking about, looking at the whole season rather than what's relevant today.

[HuskyFreeNorthwest]

This is the kind of idiocy I'm talking about, looking at the whole season rather than what's relevant today.

You are more of a snap shot in time kinda guy? Interesting.

[SeattleUte]

Sagarin's formula doesn't more heavily weight recent games, IIRC. Gonzaga's a different team than they were the first half of the season.

Pomeroy (whose formula does weight recent games) has us by 3.

Blah blah blah. These stupid formulas are still taking into account BYU beat Arizona by 30. Ancient history.

[SeattleUte]

You are more of a snap shot in time kinda guy? Interesting.

Depends on what you're talking about, grandpa. (Your avatar has bot me thinking you're a crotchety old guy who goes to the Temple every week and does Internet geneology.)

[HuskyFreeNorthwest]

Depends on what you're talking about, grandpa. (Your avatar has bot me thinking you're a crotchety old guy who goes to the Temple every week and does Internet geneology.)

You do remember we've met right?

[jay santos]

Sagarin's formula doesn't more heavily weight recent games, IIRC. Gonzaga's a different team than they were the first half of the season.

Pomeroy (whose formula does weight recent games) has us by 3.

So are you saying we're #6 and Gonzaga's #7?

I think it's more likely we're #25ish and Gonzaga's 26ish.

I'd throw out any model using recent games. 1) It's probably a very small weight. 2) if it's not, the data set is not significant

We're 4-2 against a marginal schedule since Davies was out. If it were based on the last six games, we'd be no higher than #50.

[ERCougar]

Here's a simple and homered way of looking at Gonzaga:
On offense, we have an advantage with good perimeter offense vs bad perimeter defense and nothing interiorly, which we don't count on anyway.
On defense, I'm thinking Anderson is at least a decent defensive and rebounding presence to slow down or neutralize their strength. Hopefully, Abouo/Jax can slow down that wing player (Gray?).

Looking at things that way, Wofford is actually the type of team where we really miss Davies. They would have had no answer for him.

[ERCougar]

So are you saying we're #6 and Gonzaga's #7?

I think it's more likely we're #25ish and Gonzaga's 26ish.

I'd throw out any model using recent games. 1) It's probably a very small weight. 2) if it's not, the data set is not significant

We're 4-2 against a marginal schedule since Davies was out. If it were based on the last six games, we'd be no higher than #50.

Two games against UNM and one against SDSU (again--on a third consecutive night with a 6 man rotation) is marginal?? UNM could beat a lot of tourney teams.

[Jarid in Cedar]

Here's a simple and homered way of looking at Gonzaga:
On offense, we have an advantage with good perimeter offense vs bad perimeter defense and nothing interiorly, which we don't count on anyway.
On defense, I'm thinking Anderson is at least a decent defensive and rebounding presence to slow down or neutralize their strength. Hopefully, Abouo/Jax can slow down that wing player (Gray?).

Looking at things that way, Wofford is actually the type of team where we really miss Davies. They would have had no answer for him.

You can never slow down a Gray, you can only hope to contain them!

[SeattleUte]

Here's a simple and homered way of looking at Gonzaga:
On offense, we have an advantage with good perimeter offense vs bad perimeter defense and nothing interiorly, which we don't count on anyway.
On defense, I'm thinking Anderson is at least a decent defensive and rebounding presence to slow down or neutralize their strength. Hopefully, Abouo/Jax can slow down that wing player (Gray?).

Looking at things that way, Wofford is actually the type of team where we really miss Davies. They would have had no answer for him.

Gonzaga has a better coach. Don't forget that.

[RC Vikings]

Gonzaga has a better coach. Don't forget that.

BYU has God on their side.

[SeattleUte]

BYU has God on their side.

If BYU gets hammered by Gonzaga it's going to be spooky how similar the arc of your basketball season and our football season were. I've always considered Gonzaga the Boise State of college basketball.