Mike Loyd impact

[jay santos]

The thing we don't know about Loyd is if he could have been a consistent performer or not -- especially after teams started gameplanning for him. He shone brilliantly for 4 or 5 games out of his 3 year career. I'm grateful for his invaluable help in winning a couple of games last year (especially Florida), but I'm not willing to uncategorically claim that his departure is a huge loss.

That's also part of the point though. Having a guy that other teams have to game plan for is by definition an impactful player. Once you start putting resources at stopping Loyd, it opens other things up, especially Jimmer.

[Indy Coug]

That's also part of the point though. Having a guy that other teams have to game plan for is by definition an impactful player. Once you start putting resources at stopping Loyd, it opens other things up, especially Jimmer.

It more likely opens up stuff for Davies/Hartsock/Collinsworth.

[jay santos]

It more likely opens up stuff for Davies/Hartsock/Collinsworth.

Agree, it opens things up for everyone.

[Jacob]

Moreso than the game-planning, Loyd's style of play opens it up for everyone, and especially the post players. Loyd was the best penetrator on the team. I bet we have other players who can do it, but Loyd was willing to create, probably outside of the offense. And I'm not discount what Jimmer does in getting to the hoops. What I'm saying is that Loyd was able to make the kind of quick penetration move that allows for a quick dish for a layup or a kick-out for a 3. i don't know how good he was at making that pass, but that is something I'm really looking for out of Jimmer, the pass out of the drive. And even moreso, I'm looking for Davies to see if he can catch and finish. Part of Jimmer's problem was that there was hardly any point in dishing any of those passes to Chris Miles last year. No hands and couldn't finish.

[Indy Coug]

How would Rose have incorporated Loyd in a lineup that already has Jimmer and Emery? Most of the time he saw in his bigger games came solely due to Jimmer's absence.

[Surfah]

I don't know how much we'll miss Loyd. I thought we'd miss him more after this year. If he really was a detriment to the team, maybe his departure will be a plus to this team and perhaps the development of our younger guys.

[Jacob]

How would Rose have incorporated Loyd in a lineup that already has Jimmer and Emery? Most of the time he saw in his bigger games came solely due to Jimmer's absence.

I'm sure he could have worked it out, especially considering how much more valuable Loyd was on offense than Emery in those games where he played big minutes.

You're not really saying that 3 good guards is one too many, I'm sure.

[Indy Coug]

I'm sure he could have worked it out, especially considering how much more valuable Loyd was on offense than Emery in those games where he played big minutes.

You're not really saying that 3 good guards is one too many, I'm sure.

I'm really saying that I'm not sure how much Loyd's added time would come at the expense of the other's and therefore, I'm not sure how much added value he really would have been. Do you think any of those three could have effectively defended the 3 position?

[Jacob]

Do you think any of those three could have effectively defended the 3 position?

Only against the bad teams. But we could have easily found 20 minutes per game for Loyd. 8 Minutes with Jimmer on the bench, 12 minutes with Emery on the bench.

But I'm playing on both sides of the fence. Loyd was great at what he did, and we will miss that a lot. But overall, I'm not sure he'll be missed greatly.

[Clark Addison]

Only against the bad teams. But we could have easily found 20 minutes per game for Loyd. 8 Minutes with Jimmer on the bench, 12 minutes with Emery on the bench.

But I'm playing on both sides of the fence. Loyd was great at what he did, and we will miss that a lot. But overall, I'm not sure he'll be missed greatly.

I don't think anyone is taking 8 minutes from Jimmer. he averaged over 31 last year while being limited by mono.

I think Jackson will also average over 30, though with a healthy Mike Loyd, it would probably be lower, which may have helped prevent Jackson's late season slump this year.

[Surfah]

Only against the bad teams. But we could have easily found 20 minutes per game for Loyd. 8 Minutes with Jimmer on the bench, 12 minutes with Emery on the bench.

But I'm playing on both sides of the fence. Loyd was great at what he did, and we will miss that a lot. But overall, I'm not sure he'll be missed greatly.

I don't think it would be that easy to get Loyd 20 minutes a game this year.

[jay santos]

I'm really saying that I'm not sure how much Loyd's added time would come at the expense of the other's and therefore, I'm not sure how much added value he really would have been. Do you think any of those three could have effectively defended the 3 position?

A lot (most?) of college teams play with three guards or at least a 3 that's no taller than 6'5. I think it's Rose's preference. Rose and many others don't distinguish between the 2 and 3, calling them both wings.

No doubt Loyd would average 20+ minutes on this team.

[Jacob]

I don't think anyone is taking 8 minutes from Jimmer. he averaged over 31 last year while being limited by mono.

I think Jackson will also average over 30, though with a healthy Mike Loyd, it would probably be lower, which may have helped prevent Jackson's late season slump this year.

If you want a player to perform at his highest level, you need to rest him at least 4 minutes per half. It could be that Coaches would rather have a tired Jimmer than whoever is backing him up, but that wouldn't necessarily be the case if you had a guy as good as Loyd as the backup.

I'd rather Jimmer play 32 minutes per game than 36. If he's playing 36, he's not playing defense. That's the first thing to go for a tired player.

[Jacob]

A lot (most?) of college teams play with three guards or at least a 3 that's no taller than 6'5. I think it's Rose's preference. Rose and many others don't distinguish between the 2 and 3, calling them both wings.

No doubt Loyd would average 20+ minutes on this team.

Problem is that these 3 are no taller than 6'2" (Jackson's listed at 6'3"). Jimmer and Loyd even shorter.

[Blueintheface]

I'm just sad I can't use his picture in my moniker anymore. He can look through the 3-pt keyhole better than anyone I've ever seen.