Anson Winder - PG?

[WashingtonCoug]

Here are some highlights, do you see PG skills here?

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Yeah I think we have our next point guard there. Although the defense against him was pretty bad. Not too uncommon in summer leagues though.

[Donuthole]

Really? I could bench 190 as a non-athlete senior in high school, taking a weight lifting class with the other non-athletes. Maybe lifting isn't a big part of a high school basketball player's training, or maybe I was way cooler in high school than I give myself credit for.

I could barely put up 135 by the time I graduated from hs. I couldn't put up 190 until law school. I blame my long arms, but that's probably just an excuse. However, even with my bird legs, I could squat more than any other WR/DB on the football team, and second most on the basketball team.

[BGRTHNUMEGO]

Here are some highlights, do you see PG skills here?

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IIRC, those highlights are from the summer, right? Not playing with Gorman?

I think there's no doubt that Winder handles the ball well enough to be effective in an open court, limited scheme situation. And that is definitely a dimension that will help expand BYU's offensive effectiveness once they can put multiple players on the court that can create off the dribble for themselves and/or to dish it off to teammates.

I found a press release on the team and in it Winder was listed as a PG option for the team this year. It'd be nice to have someone his size be a long term solution at the point.

[woot]

It just seems like Jimmer/Emery will be off the court about 5 mins/game each, and rarely/never at the same time. Among Abouo, Rogers, Collinsworth, and the bench warmers, 10 fill-in guard minutes per game won't be hard. Why not redshirt Winder?

[I.J. Reilly]

Here are some highlights, do you see PG skills here?

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Up until two minutes ago when I started this video I had assumed that Anson Winder was a white kid.

Anson Winder. That sounds like a name right out of Phillips Exeter to me.

[Jacob]

I don't really think bench press is that important for a guard, but even if it were, 185 isn't that bad. Especially if he has long arms.

Kevin Durant could not put up 185 a single time when he was drafted by the NBA. The bench press is a pretty unimportant exercise for basketball. In fact, I'd say measuring a HS player bench press is of no value.

[BGRTHNUMEGO]

It just seems like Jimmer/Emery will be off the court about 5 mins/game each, and rarely/never at the same time. Among Abouo, Rogers, Collinsworth, and the bench warmers, 10 fill-in guard minutes per game won't be hard. Why not redshirt Winder?

Emery played 28 mpg last year; Jimmer 31.

I don't expect Emery's time to go up much more than that, maybe topping off at 30. Jimmer will obviously be logging huge minutes at the end of the season, but early on I think he'll be right around 31-33 mpg.

So how much perimeter play we lose next season, I really hope Rose doesn't RS Winder. Even getting action in junk time will help prepare him for next season more than just playing in practice.

[Goatnapper'96]

Emery played 28 mpg last year; Jimmer 31.

I don't expect Emery's time to go up much more than that, maybe topping off at 30. Jimmer will obviously be logging huge minutes at the end of the season, but early on I think he'll be right around 31-33 mpg.

So how much perimeter play we lose next season, I really hope Rose doesn't RS Winder. Even getting action in junk time will help prepare him for next season more than just playing in practice.

I think Winder will back up Jimmer. BYU has plenty of depth this year on the perimeter as Winder, Collinsworth and Rogers can all see minutes this year. Further, Jimmer can play some 2 if neccesary. My guess is that given that Winder, Collinsworth and Rogers are all new to the program they will only play one position each. Winder will play at PG, Collinsworth at the 2 and Rogers at the 3. I think if Lloyd had not had to leave school, Winder would have redshirted this year. Now unless BYU can land a spectacular JC player I think Winder will play 4 years straight.

I think that BYU will go with a 9 man rotation with Collinsworth added to these 3 and the starters. Perhaps Rogers, with his year at JC and year at ASU, might be developed enough to get comfortable at the 3 and 4. I know he is a skinny ass, but Rose seems to like these undersized 4s. Especially if BYU is in zone.

[BGRTHNUMEGO]

I think Winder will back up Jimmer. BYU has plenty of depth this year on the perimeter as Winder, Collinsworth and Rogers can all see minutes this year. Further, Jimmer can play some 2 if neccesary. My guess is that given that Winder, Collinsworth and Rogers are all new to the program they will only play one position each. Winder will play at PG, Collinsworth at the 2 and Rogers at the 3. I think if Lloyd had not had to leave school, Winder would have redshirted this year. Now unless BYU can land a spectacular JC player I think Winder will play 4 years straight.

I think that BYU will go with a 9 man rotation with Collinsworth added to these 3 and the starters. Perhaps Rogers, with his year at JC and year at ASU, might be developed enough to get comfortable at the 3 and 4. I know he is a skinny @#!*% , but Rose seems to like these undersized 4s. Especially if BYU is in zone.

When Loyd left, I figured that meant K. Collinsworth would certainly see minutes at PG. I gave him the preliminary nod over Winder simply because Collinsworth played PG for several years in high school, and as far as I can tell Winder didn't play any point last year for BG and my assumption is that he didn't play any the year before because of how similar the roster was in his last 2 seasons.

The season prospectus on byucougars.com lists both as options at PG and on the wing.

[Goatnapper'96]

When Loyd left, I figured that meant K. Collinsworth would certainly see minutes at PG. I gave him the preliminary nod over Winder simply because Collinsworth played PG for several years in high school, and as far as I can tell Winder didn't play any point last year for BG and my assumption is that he didn't play any the year before because of how similar the roster was in his last 2 seasons.

The season prospectus on byucougars.com lists both as options at PG and on the wing.

Lloyd was a 2 guard in HS as well. Rose seems to like combos at the pg position. I think this is what he forsees Winder developing into. I am pretty sure Collinsworth is mission bound and won't be around post Jax-Jimmer, hence I think Rose will have Winder run the pg to give him some experience for next year.

I really think it is better for these young kids to only have to play one position in their freshman year so I estimate Collinsworth will play at the 2 and Winder will play almost exclusively at the 1. I could be wrong.

[BGRTHNUMEGO]

Lloyd was a 2 guard in HS as well. Rose seems to like combos at the pg position. I think this is what he forsees Winder developing into. I am pretty sure Collinsworth is mission bound and won't be around post Jax-Jimmer, hence I think Rose will have Winder run the pg to give him some experience for next year.

I really think it is better for these young kids to only have to play one position in their freshman year so I estimate Collinsworth will play at the 2 and Winder will play almost exclusively at the 1. I could be wrong.

IIRC, I think Rose played Loyd at 2 during his sporadic minutes early in his career. And then after a redshirt he started to get more minutes as a 1. I might be remembering wrong. And I tend to view Collinsworth as a combo guard just as much as I would Winder.

But that is a good point about trying to school Winder as the back-up point this year in preparation for next season, assuming a Collinsworth departure. Makes sense to hand that position over to someone that is going to be around 4 years straight.

[Goatnapper'96]

IIRC, I think Rose played Loyd at 2 during his sporadic minutes early in his career. And then after a redshirt he started to get more minutes as a 1. I might be remembering wrong. And I tend to view Collinsworth as a combo guard just as much as I would Winder.

But that is a good point about trying to school Winder as the back-up point this year in preparation for next season, assuming a Collinsworth departure. Makes sense to hand that position over to someone that is going to be around 4 years straight.

No, Rose played Lloyd at the pg and ran Jimmer at the 2 guard for most of their true freshman year. As the season wore on he worked Jimmer in more and more as the backup pg to Murdock. In the NCAA tourney game Jimmer played exclusively at the 1 when Murdock was injured. When Jimmer moved to the 1, I don't think Lloyd played too much thereafter.

[KillerDog]

During his recruitment, Winder was told he was earmarked as a PG for BYU. Like the above comment says, Rose likes combo guards at the pg spot. Winder is a shooter with a strong body but he has a better pg skill set than Loyd had at the same stage of his career. I think he'll get a serious look at the point and could be our solution there after Jimmer.