Rose on why Loyd is gone: Accountability issues, responsibility issues

[SeattleUte]

I am not sure what to think until SU weighs in.

I have shared my theory with a select few here; you are among them. I'm being discreet about what I think is going on out of respect for the young man. It's not disparagement of him as far as I'm concerned. Indeed, I see him as kind of a martyr. But even if my instinct here is sound, apparently Lloyd wants to keep what cleaveth him from BYU private, and I respect that.

[byu71]

The thing that troubles me the most is the "higher up" thing and that could be just Lloyd's supposition.

I hope the higher ups aren't interferring too much with the coaches. I heard from a very reliable source such interference started bugging Lavelle in the latter years.

Now, I will state this caveat. I don't know about other Universities. Maybe this goes on everywhere and my focus is just with BYU.

As one who contributes to the program every year, I don't feel I have the right to beasked how I would do things. I don't even need to know many details. However, I would like to know the general concept. How much are higher ups involved.

[Indy Coug]

I don't know if higher ups were involved or not, but the end result was years in the making, not the result of a couple of recent and isolated incidents. Loyd had 3 years to know what the expectations were and get himself in line with those expectations, no matter how ridiculous some or all of them were.

This is not a good case study for those that enjoy creating martyrs or villains.

[jay santos]

I don't know if higher ups were involved or not, but the end result was years in the making, not the result of a couple of recent and isolated incidents. Loyd had 3 years to know what the expectations were and get himself in line with those expectations, no matter how ridiculous some or all of them were.

This is not a good case study for those that enjoy creating martyrs or villains.

How can you say that if you don't know what Loyd did. Maybe all he did was wear orange sunglasses, a big clock around his neck on a chain and say "YEAH BOYEEEE" every time he walked in a room. That's why I'd like to know. I'd like to know if there is a legitimate martyr and villain in this case or whether this was just simply unavoidable for BYU. I'm not judging right now cuz I have no facts. But I'd like the facts so I can start judging (righteously--and there's a huge TIC in that if you don't know me I LOL'd myself just typing it).

[byu71]

How can you say that if you don't know what Loyd did. Maybe all he did was wear orange sunglasses, a big clock around his neck on a chain and say "YEAH BOYEEEE" every time he walked in a room. That's why I'd like to know. I'd like to know if there is a legitimate martyr and villain in this case or whether this was just simply unavoidable for BYU. I'm not judging right now cuz I have no facts. But I'd like the facts so I can start judging (righteously--and there's a huge TIC in that if you don't know me I LOL'd myself just typing it).

The fact that Rose said it was basically his decision and that at least half of the BYU fans doubt that, speaks volumes.

I don't really know if the 1/2 that doubt are right or the 1/2 that don't doubt are right. However, the "we know and you don't need to know" attitude does not promote a great deal of Trust when you hear something from people down at BYU.

[Indy Coug]

The fact that Rose said it was basically his decision and that at least half of the BYU fans doubt that, speaks volumes.

I don't really know if the 1/2 that doubt are right or the 1/2 that don't doubt are right. However, the "we know and you don't need to know" attitude does not promote a great deal of Trust when you hear something from people down at BYU.

In an era where there are 25,000 laws governing confidentiality/privacy issues....

[jay santos]

In an era where there are 25,000 laws governing confidentiality/privacy issues....

I'm not going nuts over this because I think there was probably something pretty serious against BYU rules going on. And Rose not telling us, due to privacy issues as you say or just rules of good taste in general, doesn't mean BYU's in the wrong. But on the flip side, BYU IMHO has been guilty of being overly harsh especially towards non-LDS black athletes. The lack of info makes it perfectly rational to either support BYU or blame BYU, depending on your inclination. I'm using all the restraint I possibly have not to blame BYU on this.

[jay santos]

Just read the new blog entry from Jay Drew on Loyd's side of the story. This really is driving me nuts.

[Flattop]

“The situation with Mike basically came down to accountability issues and responsibility issues, and things that we had discussed many times and when it came right down to it, we just felt that the direction that we were going as a team and as a program, and the things that we felt were really, really important....Mike struggled with some of those issues,” Rose said. “So the best thing for us to do was kinda go in different directions. And that is kind of how it happened.”

So, he left for the same reason Henderson left Utah?

[byu71]

In an era where there are 25,000 laws governing confidentiality/privacy issues....

So you are saying this kind of thing happens at every University and perhaps the admin. interfers with the AD and coaches as much at every University as it does at BYU.

AS I said, I don't know and so if you say that is the case I will believe you and not think you are just taking your usual "BYU apologist" position.

[il Padrino Ute]

So, he left for the same reason Henderson left Utah?

That's how I see it.

[SeattleUte]

Chris Littman of the Sporting News says this will kill BYU's recruiting outside devout LDS kids.

http://www.sportingnews.com/blog/the...pool_shrinking

I think it's Loyd's 26 points against Florida that really makes this a big story outside Utah.

[PaloAltoCougar]

I think it's Loyd's 26 points against Florida that really makes this a big story outside Utah.

Fortunately, thanks to your published views on the Florida win, no one regards that as noteworthy.

[Indy Coug]

So you are saying this kind of thing happens at every University and perhaps the admin. interfers with the AD and coaches as much at every University as it does at BYU.

AS I said, I don't know and so if you say that is the case I will believe you and not think you are just taking your usual "BYU apologist" position.

Try interviewing someone and then calling their previous employer to find out why they no longer work there.

[jay santos]

So, he left for the same reason Henderson left Utah?

I don't know the Henderson situation that well but I think the difference is that Henderson wanted to leave. Apparently Loyd didn't want to leave and believes he was forced out.