Jimmers legacy is shaping up to be a lot like Max Halls........

[creekster]

Go ahead and keep kidding yourself that that was the same thing as winning a BCS bowl. Hall's legacy says it all. That opening game against an Oklahoma team that lost its starting qb and then went nowhere afterward only further frustrated BYU fans.

Good point. Could you possibly tell us about the Sugar bowl again? It must have been at least 5 minutes since you last posted about it.

Look, you didn't mention anything about the BCS bowl. You said that Max Hall hadn't made an impact on the national stage. beating Oklahoma was exactly that. Realizing your error, I can see how you would now retreat to the BCS issue, but please try to stay on topic, especially when you are the one that framed the topic.

[cougjunkie]

The year that BYU went to the Elite 8 it finished third in the conference behind Utah, which went to the Sweet 16, and Wyoming. Most BYU fans don't remember that BYU was the third best team in the conference that year. Winning the conference is a big deal in a major conference; in the MWC it's less satisfying without more.

I will remind you of this post next time you bring up Utahs 5 seed and winners of the "round robin tournament".

[SeattleUte]

I will remind you of this post next time you bring up Utahs 5 seed and winners of the "round robin tournament".

Nobody on last year's Utah basketball team will be remembered and loved like Van Horn, Milller, Judkins, Vranes, Chambers, Brian Johnson, Alex Smith and others who took the Utes to the truly national stage and played well there.

[MartyFunkhouser]

Nobody on last year's Utah basketball team will be remembered and loved like Van Horn, Milller, Judkins, Vranes, Chambers, Brian Johnson, Alex Smith and others who took the Utes to the truly national stage and played well there.

I agree with this post. In a couple of years Nevill will rarely even be talked about at Utah, despite having a really good final season.

[Blueintheface]

Sad really. When was the last time BYU had a player finish the year as a finalist for the Wooden award?

http://www.deseretnews.com/blog/19/10008649/BYU-Cougars-blog-Fredette-a-finalist-for-Wooden-Award.html

Quick question, too. If 30 or so were nominated why were 26 chosen as finalists? What weird bracketology is that?

[UtahDan]

Get ready for a box and one.

[UtahDan]

Quick question, too. If 30 or so were nominated why were 26 chosen as finalists?

I think it has something to do with their hearts being set on things of the world.

[Blueintheface]

Get ready for a box and one.

Than it's a good thing that Emery has found his 3-pt shot (59% in his last 9 games).

[Jacob]

I can not believe how many BYU fans are bashing him and BYUs offense. BYU was 2nd in the nation in scoring offense, they are one of the best shooting teams in the country, not to mention this is the winningest team of all time. Yet I have seen so much crap about everyone standing around and watching Jimmer, that the offense is stagnant, that is one dimensional and easy to stop. So how come nobody has really figured out how to stop it yet?

Just like Max Hall was very underappreciated I think in the end Jimmer will be the same way.

I don't see it. I don't know anybody who doesn't think Jimmer is a fantastic player. On this Utes, Cougars, and Aggies can all agree. Also, Jimmer gives no reason to dislike him.

Max Hall was a really good quarterback, but he's not on Jimmer's level--if you can even compare the two sports. I think most BYU fans realize this.

I've been bashing on BYU's offense and Jimmer's dominance of the ball during the weekend, but this is much different than bashing on Jimmer. It's Rose's offense, not Jimmer's. Jimmer put on a display we are unlikely to see again at BYU for a long time (excluding possibly this weekend and hopefully next year). Jimmer has faults, like dishing, making an entry pass, but I complain a bit on those because he is such a great player that I want him to do it all.

As for the fact that we score a lot--that's the reason I really can't bag on Rose's offense even though I just don't get it. Results are results, and we score a lot. Still, I like USU's offense better. And UNLV's and the Jazz's etc.

[beelzebabette]

I've been bashing on BYU's offense and Jimmer's dominance of the ball during the weekend, but this is much different than bashing on Jimmer. It's Rose's Rice's offense, not Jimmer's. Jimmer put on a display we are unlikely to see again at BYU for a long time (excluding possibly this weekend and hopefully next year). Jimmer has faults, like dishing, making an entry pass, but I complain a bit on those because he is such a great player that I want him to do it all.

As for the fact that we score a lot--that's the reason I really can't bag on Rose's Rice's offense even though I just don't get it. Results are results, and we score a lot. Still, I like USU's offense better. And UNLV's and the Jazz's etc.

We need to get you a new moniker. Everytime I see you've posted, I have to say to myself, "not byujacob."

And... Fixed.

[jay santos]

I don't see it. I don't know anybody who doesn't think Jimmer is a fantastic player. On this Utes, Cougars, and Aggies can all agree. Also, Jimmer gives no reason to dislike him.

Max Hall was a really good quarterback, but he's not on Jimmer's level--if you can even compare the two sports. I think most BYU fans realize this.

I've been bashing on BYU's offense and Jimmer's dominance of the ball during the weekend, but this is much different than bashing on Jimmer. It's Rose's offense, not Jimmer's. Jimmer put on a display we are unlikely to see again at BYU for a long time (excluding possibly this weekend and hopefully next year). Jimmer has faults, like dishing, making an entry pass, but I complain a bit on those because he is such a great player that I want him to do it all.

As for the fact that we score a lot--that's the reason I really can't bag on Rose's offense even though I just don't get it. Results are results, and we score a lot. Still, I like USU's offense better. And UNLV's and the Jazz's etc.

BYU's one of the most efficient offensive teams in the country, getting it done without a good post scorer. I have a hard time imagining how someone could come close to complaining about BYU's offense. If you want to complain, complain about the defense or the rebounding.

[Blueintheface]

BYU's one of the most efficient offensive teams in the country, getting it done without a good post scorer. I have a hard time imagining how someone could come close to complaining about BYU's offense. If you want to complain, complain about the defense or the rebounding.

Rebounding absolutely, but we have seen what a motivated 2-3 zone defense can do for large stretches of a game coupled with timely man-to-man. Statistics back that up as well. The Cougars can be good defensively but are rarely good at rebounding. That's why we need Hawes so badly as well as for Abouo to stay out of foul trouble. Hard to reconcile the fact that Hartsock leads this team (barely) in rebounding with just over 5 per and we won 29 games. It will be an issue in this game and any possible future matchup to be sure.

[Jacob]

BYU's one of the most efficient offensive teams in the country, getting it done without a good post scorer. I have a hard time imagining how someone could come close to complaining about BYU's offense. If you want to complain, complain about the defense or the rebounding.

From my previous post:

that's the reason I really can't bag on Rose's offense even though I just don't get it. Results are results, and we score a lot.

Still, I like other offenses better. Especially offenses that are more post oriented.

[jay santos]

From my previous post:



Still, I like other offenses better. Especially offenses that are more post oriented.

I think you'll see a more post oriented offense in years we have reliable post scorer. I'm hoping next year Davies will be that guy.

[jay santos]

Rebounding absolutely, but we have seen what a motivated 2-3 zone defense can do for large stretches of a game coupled with timely man-to-man. Statistics back that up as well. The Cougars can be good defensively but are rarely good at rebounding. That's why we need Hawes so badly as well as for Abouo to stay out of foul trouble. Hard to reconcile the fact that Hartsock leads this team (barely) in rebounding with just over 5 per and we won 29 games. It will be an issue in this game and any possible future matchup to be sure.

I'm not complaining about any of the coaching--offense, defense, or rebounding. I just think if defense and rebounding are areas you could make a better case against the coaches. I think without Haws we're actually a better rebounding team because you see Abouo and Tav at the three a lot. Abouo's the best rebounder on the team on a per minute basis. I'm actually not too concerned if Haws can play or not. Abouo and Loyd getting his minutes we probably don't drop off much. Haws is more skilled offensively, but that's not a weakness.