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  • jay santos
    Senior Member
    • Nov 2008
    • 13652

    #1

    Tonight's starting 5

    I'm going to go with

    Jimmer
    Jackson
    Haws
    JT
    Miles

    I am secretly hoping Davies gets the start, but I will be somewhat shocked if he does.

    My new expectation for minutes on this team is

    Jimmer 34
    Morgan 16
    Emery 26
    Haws 24
    Abouo 20
    JT 34
    Harstock 12
    Miles 20
    Davies 14
  • Indy Coug
    Heartless Bastard
    • Dec 2008
    • 18747

    #2
    Originally posted by jay santos View Post
    I'm going to go with

    Jimmer
    Jackson
    Haws
    JT
    Miles

    I am secretly hoping Davies gets the start, but I will be somewhat shocked if he does.

    My new expectation for minutes on this team is

    Jimmer 34
    Morgan 16
    Emery 26
    Haws 24
    Abouo 20
    JT 34
    Harstock 12
    Miles 20
    Davies 14
    I have a very very hard time seeing JT and Jimmer getting 34 minutes a game. If they do, it's a bad sign for this team.
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    • jay santos
      Senior Member
      • Nov 2008
      • 13652

      #3
      Originally posted by Indy Coug View Post
      I have a very very hard time seeing JT and Jimmer getting 34 minutes a game. If they do, it's a bad sign for this team.
      Jimmer was 33 and JT was 32 last year. Lee was 33 and he probably would have been 36 if not for foul trouble. I don't see that it's a bad sign your star players are playing as much as they have stamina to do so. We can afford to sit JT a little, but I think we really suffer when Jimmer's out of the game.

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      • Goatnapper'96
        Senior Member
        • Nov 2008
        • 10924

        #4
        Originally posted by jay santos View Post
        I'm going to go with

        Jimmer
        Jackson
        Haws
        JT
        Miles

        I am secretly hoping Davies gets the start, but I will be somewhat shocked if he does.

        My new expectation for minutes on this team is

        Jimmer 34
        Morgan 16
        Emery 26
        Haws 24
        Abouo 20
        JT 34
        Harstock 12
        Miles 20
        Davies 14
        I think BYU has more depth this year so I doubt anyone averages over 30 mpg. I think Jimmer and JT will both get around 30 mpg, but I maintain Emery will also be close to 30. I think as the season wears on Jackson Emery's toughness and leadership is going to be as indispensable as JT and Jimmer's scoring.

        I think is Jimmer's team. JT is going to be a #2 option and I think he knows it and is doing his best to accept it. That recent article about his maturity highlights this IMO. A key to this team is how well JT really accepts it as the season wears on. Jimmer is the best player, offensively, and it is not even close.

        Jackson Emery is and will be my favorite player. If he played for Majerus he would be one of those balding ultra effort returned missionary mormon boys that routinely holds a future lottery pick to 1/3 of his scoring average and to shooting less than 33% and Majerus would offer long ass rambling statements of praise that are only slightly more decipherable than Bronco's press comments. Saying that Dave Rose is not Ricky M and will never have the big fella's defensive prowess. But the effort that Emery brings and what that can do for the team is not to be underestimated. He may be skinny, he may have a receding hair line and he might lead people to believe he is more athletic than he is just because he is so damn willing to try so hard, but by golly he makes my nipples hard and I ain't ashamed to admit it.

        I think Miles will be a starter and here is why. Davies has more potential but I doubt we see it this year. Unless Davies can consistently score better than Miles this year BYU is losing a better defender and more experienced player. Further, I see the battle for starting minutes between Abuou and Haws continuing throughout the year and I doubt Rose wants two freshman starters. I think Haws is a better offensive option than Abuou now. I am not sure if BYU only wants two scorers on the court starting. With Emery as the defensive leader and the heart of the team, and him not real offensively proficient I think BYU needs Haws scoring ability more than they need Abuou's better defensive play. It will be a matchup game but I think it more likely Haws starts. I also think that Hartsock can bring some post scoring ability.

        I think BYU will have a 9 man rotation this year:

        Fredette
        Emery
        Haws
        Tavernari
        Miles
        Abuou
        Hartsock
        Morgan
        Davies

        Our Strongest Man, Lloyd and Anderson will see potential emergency minutes, but with the ability of Tavernari to play the 4 and 3 as well as Hartsock and Davies to play both post positions and even Fredette's ability to play on the wing I don't see many opportunities for those 3. Zylestra will only play in mop up action.

        As for minutes:
        Fredette - 29
        Tavernari - 29
        Emery - 28
        Haws - 22
        Miles - 20
        Abuou - 18
        Hartsock - 18
        Morgan - 14
        Davies - 12

        If Davies can bring a consistent offensive game he could take many minutes from both Hartsock and Miles. But I am not really expecting that one. I think Hartsock develops into the most reliable post scorer for this team and I could seem him stealing minutes from Davies and getting as high as 20-22 mpg and Davies slipping under 10 mpg.

        It will be fun and I am looking forward to tonight's game!
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        • woot
          Resident Science Cop
          • Nov 2008
          • 5531

          #5
          I'm just hoping that JT doesn't throw a tantrum this year. Both of the last two years he's had stretches where he implodes and either goes completely crazy with his shooting or will never shoot even when he's wide open, like he's trying to make a point. It's like giving the silent treatment to your parents when they tell you to do your homework. The team always suffers when he pulls that crap so if we can avoid that we're likely to win a couple more games.

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          • Non Sequitur
            Where did I put my bodkin
            • Nov 2008
            • 5773

            #6
            Originally posted by woot View Post
            I'm just hoping that JT doesn't throw a tantrum this year. Both of the last two years he's had stretches where he implodes and either goes completely crazy with his shooting or will never shoot even when he's wide open, like he's trying to make a point. It's like giving the silent treatment to your parents when they tell you to do your homework. The team always suffers when he pulls that crap so if we can avoid that we're likely to win a couple more games.
            I don't think this will happen. In fact, I read an interview he gave a few weeks ago where he assured everyone he has a new attitude and a new perspective. Of course, I read that same interview every fall, but I think he really means it this time.
            "The mind is not a boomerang. If you throw it too far it will not come back." ~ Tom McGuane

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            • cougjunkie
              *Banned*
              • Nov 2008
              • 23223

              #7
              Jimmer
              Jackson
              Abouo
              Tav
              Miles

              However Davies came in at the 17:45 mark and Haws at the 16 minute mark.

              Davies looks very good so far, playing with a ton of energy and athleticism, I was told the other day that Davies has been kicking Miles ass in practice and Miles has really started to press to keep his job. He seems like the kind of kid that needs to be coddled and when he sees competition he shies away from it.
              *Banned*

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              • cougjunkie
                *Banned*
                • Nov 2008
                • 23223

                #8
                Jimmer might be the best ever at BYU when it comes to creating his own shot.
                *Banned*

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                • frank ryan
                  Senior Member
                  • Nov 2008
                  • 12332

                  #9
                  Loyd gave em some decent minutes

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                  • LiveCoug
                    LA Ute loves me
                    • Nov 2008
                    • 18486

                    #10
                    JT was pretty yucky in the first half. Still a huckin..

                    I like Davies.. He will be good. I just wish he were 2 inches taller.

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                    • cougjunkie
                      *Banned*
                      • Nov 2008
                      • 23223

                      #11
                      Loyd wins the backup PG spot from Morgan. Also playing the backup 2 as well. His jumper looks very good tonight.

                      Also Davies continues to impress.
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                      • myboynoah
                        Senior Member
                        • Nov 2008
                        • 21719

                        #12
                        Originally posted by cougjunkie View Post
                        Loyd wins the backup PG spot from Morgan. Also playing the backup 2 as well. His jumper looks very good tonight.

                        Also Davies continues to impress.
                        They just said Lloyd didn't miss a shot (on a team that shot 36%).
                        Give 'em Hell, Cougars!!!

                        For all this His anger is not turned away, but His hand is stretched out still.

                        Not long ago an obituary appeared in the Salt Lake Tribune that said the recently departed had "died doing what he enjoyed most—watching BYU lose."

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                        • Flystripper
                          Degenerate Gambler
                          • Nov 2008
                          • 14089

                          #13
                          Originally posted by myboynoah View Post
                          They just said Lloyd didn't miss a shot (on a team that shot 36%).
                          Don't throw the whole team under the bus. That shooting % is mostly The Chucker's fault. Lloyd played well though.
                          Dyslexics are teople poo...

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                          • Non Sequitur
                            Where did I put my bodkin
                            • Nov 2008
                            • 5773

                            #14
                            Originally posted by LiveCoug View Post
                            JT was pretty yucky in the first half. Still a huckin..
                            I like J.T., but he really disappointed tonight. Not just because he took so many bad shots in the first half, but because he was pretty much invisible the whole game. Played a ton of minutes but didn't get many rebounds, steals, or assists. Did have 4 turnovers though. You can forgive some of his hucking when he's active in other parts of the game. That was not the case tonight.

                            Loyd was great tonight. He's going to cut into a lot of Morgan's minutes this year.

                            Hartsock looked much better tonight. That's encouraging.

                            Abouo should not be allowed to dribble the ball. He is a brutal ball-handler.

                            Emery was great tonight. Not a ton of offense, but he brings so much energy to the game.

                            Overall, a decent game. We have a lot of work to do, but I like the personnel we have in place. Should be a good year.
                            Last edited by Non Sequitur; 11-13-2009, 10:00 PM.
                            "The mind is not a boomerang. If you throw it too far it will not come back." ~ Tom McGuane

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                            • cougjunkie
                              *Banned*
                              • Nov 2008
                              • 23223

                              #15
                              Originally posted by Non Sequitur View Post
                              I like J.T., but he really disappointed tonight. Not just because he took so many bad shots in the first half, but because he was pretty much invisible the whole game. Played a ton of minutes but didn't get many rebounds, steals, or assists. Did have 4 turnovers though. You can forgive some his hucking when he's active in other parts of the game. That was not the case tonight.

                              Loyd was the great tonight. He's going to cut into a lot of Morgan's minutes this year.

                              Hartsock looked much better tonight. That's encouraging.

                              Abouo should not be allowed to dribble the ball. He is a brutal ball-handler.

                              Emery was great tonight. Not a ton of offense, but he brings so much energy to the game.

                              Overall, a decent game. We have a lot of work to do, but I like the personnel we have in place. Should be a good year.
                              I agree, Also Bradley is a decent team and like Dave Rose said they were allowed to start practicing in August and played some exhibition games in Italy (similar to what BYU did a few years ago). So they have had 10 more practices and 4 more games than BYU.
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