Orrin Hatch is a narcissist.

[Solon]

There was a time when locals would refer to BYU as "the Harvard of the West" but now apparently it has been pared down to encompass only Utah.

I guess these same people finally realized that schools like Stanford, Cal, SC, and UCLA are also in "the West."

I"ve always had fun with this expression with regards to the byu, but I must admit I've never heard anyone use it in seriousness.

By the way, my library carrel is the "Harvard of Pattee Stacks 2A."

[Shaka]

I will use this moment to put in a plug for my favorite Orrin Hatch tune, "America Rocks."

If he had any love at all for TK, he would have sang that song as a tribute to the fallen Senator.

HAHAHA! Me thinks you are teasing. Aussie loves Orrin's songs. I on the other hand......

[Shaka]

Mohammed Ali is a Christian Conservative? I really want to hear more about this.

Do you have a pic of your meeting him Shaka? That would be cool to see.

I do not have a pic of this particular meeting. However, I have one of our first meeting at my grandparents house. It's around here somewhere. I will have to dig around and see if I can find it.

Muhammad and Orrin are friends. Muhammad compaigned for him back in the day. I just realized I spelled Muhammad wrong in my first post so I'm correcting now.

[beefytee]

Even though I haven't been impressed with Orrin Hatch, I found his eulogy to be perfectly appropriate.

What do you talk about if not personal experiences with the man? No reason to leave out the "mormon" related stories if they are a large part of the relationship.

And McCain's scowl was entertaining.

[falafel]

There was a time when locals would refer to BYU as "the Harvard of the West" but now apparently it has been pared down to encompass only Utah.

I guess these same people finally realized that schools like Stanford, Cal, SC, and UCLA are also in "the West."

I thought Stansbury was the Harvard of the West.

[Babs]

I thought Stansbury was the Harvard of the West.

I wanted to apply to Stansbury law, but then I figured I'd never get in. And then I'd let everybody down! And I'm so confused...I'm so...I'm so...

[falafel]

I wanted to apply to Stansbury law, but then I figured I'd never get in. And then I'd let everybody down! And I'm so confused...I'm so...I'm so...

I'm so scared! Don't worry, you have a lot of friends around you Babs. Give me those pills.... Wait. They're just caffeine pills? Oh, gimme a break. I thought this was something serious.

[frank ryan]

I remember hearing that, on 9-11, as Hatch told CNN that there were efforts to find those responsible by tracking their cell phones, terrorists who were watching TV promptly switched their cell phones off.



When Hatch called BYU the "Harvard of Utah," I think he was talking about football.

I can't stand Orrin Hatch, and I've met him a couple of times. He's extremely aloof and can't seem to ever answer a question. Plus, he ran for office (against Moss, IIRC) on the platform that it was time to root out career politicians. That was 30+ years ago.

2 terms and out was his promise

DDD, this was meant as a response to your question. I've been writing the reply and watching The Practice reruns so there have been other replies.

Yes.

Orrin is a good guy however he is a bit of a narcissist. However I think using the term as a pejorative to describe him on the whole presents a completely innacurate picture. Orrin has helped a lot of people in ways that never get any mention in the press.

I remember helping silk screen t-shirts and lawn signs for Orrin's first campaign in my grandparents front yard. I was six years old. At varying times in the following years I've been able to get an interesting view of the political process. I've met a bunch of politicians and interesting celebrity figures. One of the most cherished memories of my life was sitting on a love seat for two hours with Mohammed Ali in a suite at the Little America and watching the '88 election returns. It was the second time I met him the first being at my grandparents home when he was campaigning for Orrin.

I'm the first to admit that viewing the political process from a different angle has left me a bit jaded towards the process and its participants. The result of this view is that I think that anyone who gets elected to a national political position is forced to swim in shark infested waters. The only way to survive in those waters is to become one of the sharks. Sure some become nurse sharks and others great whites depending on how they let themselves become affected by the process.

Politicians surrounded by Yes Men and lobbyists who constantly blow sunshine up their behinds. Fighting your enemies occurs on a regular basis whether those enemies are fellow sharks or a particularly crazy special interest group. You also have to spend a great deal of time lauding your own achievements and views in order to get reelected. In this environment it's no wonder that politicians develop outsized egos and become more conceited.

There are of course exceptions. In Utah I've been very impressed with Matheson and Carroon. (Kind of funny they are both Democrats errr sort of Democrats anyway). These two just seem to be men of the people. I'm sure public office has affected them to some degree but they seem to keep things in check. Becker is a nice fellow as well and approachable in ways that Rocky never was.

Mathesone seems to vote how his constituency would like him to. Corroon is a good guy but remember he is first cousins with howard dean though.
Becker is nice but fell on his head when younger and broke his personality. Rocky had major rep for being mean and vindictive

[Babs]

I'm so scared! Don't worry, you have a lot of friends around you Babs. Give me those pills.... Wait. They're just caffeine pills? Oh, gimme a break. I thought this was something serious.

It IS serious! NO time! There's never any time!

[Shaka]

2 terms and out was his promise


Mathesone seems to vote how his constituency would like him to. Corroon is a good guy but remember he is first cousins with howard dean though.
Becker is nice but fell on his head when younger and broke his personality. Rocky had major rep for being mean and vindictive

The Corroon/Howard Dean thing is always in the back of my mind when I'm reading about him or even the rare occasions I talk to him. People can't choose their relatives so until he starts acting like Howard I'll give him the benefit of the doubt.

[TripletDaddy]

HAHAHA! Me thinks you are teasing. Aussie loves Orrin's songs. I on the other hand......

teasing? this is radness:

If you see a great big smile lighting up my face
Its because I know I live in a totally wonderful place
When i see red, white, and blue my heart turns inside out
from a feeling deep inside that makes me want to shout

America Rocks!
America Rocks!
America Rocks!
America Rocks!

From its busy bustling cities to its quiet country walks
America Rocks!
It's totally cool! it's totally hot! I mean, it's like right there at the top!

America Rocks!
America Rocks!
America Rocks!

[Shaka]

Suddenly I'm feeling very patriotic. Orrin is quite the hipster.

teasing? this is radness:

If you see a great big smile lighting up my face
Its because I know I live in a totally wonderful place
When i see red, white, and blue my heart turns inside out
from a feeling deep inside that makes me want to shout

America Rocks!
America Rocks!
America Rocks!
America Rocks!

From its busy bustling cities to its quiet country walks
America Rocks!
It's totally cool! it's totally hot! I mean, it's like right there at the top!

America Rocks!
America Rocks!
America Rocks!

[SCcoug]

Those lyrics read like they were lifted from a South Park episode or something.

teasing? this is radness:

If you see a great big smile lighting up my face
Its because I know I live in a totally wonderful place
When i see red, white, and blue my heart turns inside out
from a feeling deep inside that makes me want to shout

America Rocks!
America Rocks!
America Rocks!
America Rocks!

From its busy bustling cities to its quiet country walks
America Rocks!
It's totally cool! it's totally hot! I mean, it's like right there at the top!

America Rocks!
America Rocks!
America Rocks!

[Tim]

Even though I haven't been impressed with Orrin Hatch, I found his eulogy to be perfectly appropriate.

I agree: the eulogy was a fine one. I appreciate Hatch's awareness that politics are not as important as our relationships with our friends. I thought his was a moving tribute to Ted Kennedy.

[TripletDaddy]

Those lyrics read like they were lifted from a South Park episode or something.

can we please cut through the crap.

let's stop talking about these songs and start listening to them. Today.

http://www.nytimes.com/2006/07/16/we...ew/16word.html

ps I would also recommend "heal our land"