J.K. Rowling and the TERF wars

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  • Jeff Lebowski
    Corporate lackey for Jesus
    • Nov 2008
    • 69527

    #1

    J.K. Rowling and the TERF wars

    Anyone else following this? I think it is interesting enough to warrant a dedicated thread. In recent weeks, JK Rowling has made a few tweets pushing back on the notion that there is no such thing as biological sex. This thread really set things off:



    Part of the argument is that ignoring sex is harmful to womens rights in the long run.

    More recently she argued that we are using hormone therapy far too frequently on small children when anti-depressants might be a safer short-term solution.



    Critics call her a TERF which stands for trans-exclusionary radical feminist. She responded with a long essay here:

    Warning: The below content is not appropriate for children. Please check with an adult before you read this page. To go back to the children’s page, please click here. This isn’t an easy piece to write, for reasons that will shortly become clear, but I know it’s time to explain myself on an issue surrounded […]


    And yesterday she and 150 co-authors co-signors published a letter discussing the current assault on free speech and open debate:

    July 7, 2020 The below letter will be appearing in the Letters section of the magazine’s October issue. We welcome responses at letters@harpers.org Our cultural institutions are facing a moment of trial. Powerful protests for racial and social justice are leading to overdue demands for police reform, along with wider calls for greater equality and […]


    Folks are trying to cancel her, but she might be too big to cancel.
    Last edited by Jeff Lebowski; 07-08-2020, 09:19 AM.
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  • swampfrog
    Social Distance Warrior
    • Feb 2011
    • 2267

    #2
    Rowling is only the latest manifestation of the crusade against biological sex. She just happens to be uncancelable. Technically they are co-signors, not sure if the authors have been identified.

    It's the same ploy as in other intersectional categories, redefine the meaning of terms such as "biological sex", conflate it with the imperfect manifestations of inherent differences and then label everyone who doesn't toe the always moving line as a bigot, misogynist, TERF, etc.

    It's been occupying a lot more of my available cycles than it should since Jordan Peterson exploded in January 2018. That was probably the first significant dose of something's going on here that doesn't quite make sense. I have a difficult time leaving stuff alone that doesn't make sense. Been in exploratory mode every since. Looking for root cause it what my mind does (not necessarily successfully).

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    • swampfrog
      Social Distance Warrior
      • Feb 2011
      • 2267

      #3
      Anyone wanting to really explore this, it's a Matrix like red pill, the rabbit hole does indeed go deep. Here's a summary with links. The author is a good follow on twitter and also has a newsletter that he sends out periodically. He's a devourer of books, studies, papers, etc. and regularly contributes snippets on Twitter.

      This social phenomenon is spreading beyond our shores. It is the latest American cultural export. Referring to the cancelled video, the Dutch sociologist Dr. Eric C. Hendriks has told me, “This would have been unthinkable in the Netherlands a year ago. Over time, American influence has spread cancel culture here.” The political scientist Joseph Nye advanced the idea of “soft power,” or the ability to influence societies through seduction, persuasion, and pop culture rather than military power. Because America still has reputational prestige across the globe, other societies adopt the views of our credentialed class. These individuals have been manipulating language and norms for personal gain.

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      • swampfrog
        Social Distance Warrior
        • Feb 2011
        • 2267

        #4
        Details of how the letter came about, the fallout, and addressing the criticisms.

        "The most eye-opening thing... has been seeing some of the very points of the letter play out in real-time," Thomas Chatterton Williams says of signers backing away

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        • Eddie
          Senior Member
          • Apr 2009
          • 8098

          #5
          I signed the Harpers letter because there were lots of people who also signed the Harpers letter whose views I disagreed with. I thought that was the point of the Harpers letter.

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          • swampfrog
            Social Distance Warrior
            • Feb 2011
            • 2267

            #6
            Captain Kirk weighs in:

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            • swampfrog
              Social Distance Warrior
              • Feb 2011
              • 2267

              #7
              And here's another analysis of the immediate attempt of censuring the letter.

              Because the American left is basically a war zone at the moment—or online it is, at least—what happened next shouldn't surprise anyone: A group of us posted the letter and celebrated it, while another much angrier group denounced it and held it up as proof of…well, whatever it is they hate about us and want to get us fired over (this crowd likes calling the manager). Now, it shouldn't have surprised me—I have been through multiple rounds of this stuff—but I have to admit it did.

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              • Jeff Lebowski
                Corporate lackey for Jesus
                • Nov 2008
                • 69527

                #8
                Originally posted by swampfrog View Post
                And here's another analysis of the immediate attempt of censuring the letter.
                That is really good.

                Blows my mind that people would be upset with that letter. What is wrong with people?
                "There is no creature more arrogant than a self-righteous libertarian on the web, am I right? Those folks are just intolerable."
                "It's no secret that the great American pastime is no longer baseball. Now it's sanctimony." -- Guy Periwinkle, The Nix.
                "Juilliardk N I ibuprofen Hyu I U unhurt u" - creekster

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                • swampfrog
                  Social Distance Warrior
                  • Feb 2011
                  • 2267

                  #9
                  Originally posted by Jeff Lebowski View Post
                  What is wrong with people?
                  I know it's rhetorical, but what's wrong with people is exactly that we are people.

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                  • swampfrog
                    Social Distance Warrior
                    • Feb 2011
                    • 2267

                    #10
                    And if you want a pessimistic view of where we are at, what this letter is a sign of...read this thread.

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                    • swampfrog
                      Social Distance Warrior
                      • Feb 2011
                      • 2267

                      #11
                      Not sure who else is interested, but I've found this to be an interesting moment.

                      A response letter has been drafted

                      There are many Twitter threads around both letters and politicians (AOC) and major outlets are beginning to voice opinions.

                      This attack on free speech has been brewing for quite a while now. Critical Social Justice Theory itself is opposed to the liberal values that are the foundation of western democracies.

                      "The defining question is whether the discrimination is creating equity or inequity. If discrimination is creating equity, then it is antiracist. If discrimination is creating inequity, then it is racist. . . . The only remedy to racist discrimination is antiracist discrimination. The only remedy to past discrimination is present discrimination. The only remedy to present discrimination is future discrimination." -- Ibram X. Kendi "How to be an Antiracist".

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                      • Joe Public
                        8.1 YPC
                        • Apr 2011
                        • 8506

                        #12
                        I’m interested; I just don’t have anything to add to the conversation. Thanks for posting what you do, and I hope you continue.
                        "What are you prepared to do?" - Jimmy Malone

                        "What choice?" - Abe Petrovsky

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                        • old_gregg
                          scaly man fish
                          • Nov 2009
                          • 16915

                          #13
                          transposing marginal twitter discussions into broader social or philosophical contexts is dangerous.
                          Te Occidere Possunt Sed Te Edere Non Possunt Nefas Est.

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                          • swampfrog
                            Social Distance Warrior
                            • Feb 2011
                            • 2267

                            #14
                            Originally posted by old_gregg View Post
                            transposing marginal twitter discussions into broader social or philosophical contexts is dangerous.
                            What evidence of those discussions being manifest in other contexts would be required for them to be taken seriously, and what contexts would those be?

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                            • swampfrog
                              Social Distance Warrior
                              • Feb 2011
                              • 2267

                              #15
                              Maybe this is helpful.

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