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  • #46
    Originally posted by JohnnyLingo View Post
    Let's look at this thread:

    1. I post a non-partisan, non-attacking analysis of the healthcare debate.

    2. Four minutes later, Babs responds that she cannot respond. It's fairly clear that she wants to mock my post but feels that would be immature. Correct me if I'm wrong.

    3. Il Pad and Jarid weigh in. ER is curious about Babs' non post.

    4. Almost 12 hours after my initial post, I thank Jarid for his post and note that it may have been better if Babs had not posted at all in the thread.

    5. SIEQ and I have a pleasant exchange.

    6. Babs comes in and takes issue with my comparing the Crusades to the attitudes of Americans interested in the healthcare debate and politics in general. She says she cannot take my post seriously because of this one line that I feel she misinterpreted.

    7. I thank Babs for explaining and attempt to clarify that my comparison was limited to the scope I explicitly outlined in the original post. This is much like how those who use the sun as a comparison to God's love (pervasive, warm, all-encompassing) are not suggesting God's love is a giant burning ball of gas 149 kilometers from Earth.

    As this is not the first time Babs has extrapolated a post of mine far, far beyond it's original meaning (and farther than I think is rational), I suspect Babs is merely going out of her way to discredit me because we have an acrimonious history. I express this thought and suggest that maybe she should let bygones be bygones and take my post at face value.

    8. Waup comes in and barks at me.

    9. Babs ignores 99% of my previous post and chimes in to make fun of me, disparaging my posts in general.

    10. I attempt to take the high road by actually responding to the bulk of Babs' explanation post, dissecting it line by line and asking questions. I hope to start a better conversation than the one currently going on.

    11. Babs posts twice in the next 30 minutes, both times to harp on her "Lingo is stupid because he thinks people will fight to the death over healthcare" idea.

    12. I come to the realization that Babs is not interested in a serious conversation, and get angry. I make the decision to discount Babs entirely as a persona on the board, and not waste time responding to her posts.

    13. Babs responds by ignoring everything I posted except for "Let it go" and makes it clear I am terrible.

    14. Lebowski agrees. So does frank ryan, but he hated me before this so I don't mind as much.

    So really, Lebowski? I make three good-faith efforts to communicate with Babs, but because of two phrases, one I don't think was offensive and one that I intended to be after I got sick of not being taken seriously, I'm an awful human being.

    I realize that in a straight-up fistfight I'm not beating the cliched "kinda flirty girl on a message board" in a million years, but who is?

    Like AA said, this is more about who likes who than anything else.
    You purposely chose to not acknowledge my Outdoor School anecdote.

    My blood is boiling!!!
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    • #47
      Originally posted by JohnnyLingo View Post
      Like AA said, this is more about who likes who than anything else.
      Note that this is a two-way thing.

      I think that we here are overly inclined to make a victim of you, to be sure, but I also think you are overly inclined to play the victim.

      You have a bad rap around here, which is not to say that it is either deserved or immutable. There are those here who have noticed your efforts to make meaningful contributions and are encouraged thereby. Until the rest of us make that realization, you're just going to have to expect that many will cling to their old perception. People in general just aren't good enough to grant a clean slate forthwith.

      Whether you want to put up with it, deserved or not, or take your leave of us is your call. Understand, though, that it will be some time before you can erase that old reputation.
      τὸν ἥλιον ἀνατέλλοντα πλείονες ἢ δυόμενον προσκυνοῦσιν

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      • #48
        You have a bad rap around here, which is not to say that it is either deserved or immutable. There are those here who have noticed your efforts to make meaningful contributions and are encouraged thereby. Until the rest of us make that realization, you're just going to have to expect that many will cling to their old perception. People in general just aren't good enough to grant a clean slate forthwith.

        Whether you want to put up with it, deserved or not, or take your leave of us is your call. Understand, though, that it will be some time before you can erase that old reputation.
        Fair enough.

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        • #49
          Originally posted by Babs View Post
          Of course it's not about me. It's about whether anybody even notices your posts anymore. You're so determined to turn everybody against you, that, as Lebowski suggested, nobody even bothers to participate in your threads.
          Wait, I thought it was universally accepted that if people didn't participate in a thread it was because there was general agreement.

          Is this a bad thing?

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          • #50
            Originally posted by frank ryan View Post
            Have you ever thought that socialist lds members outnumber republican ones when judged by the worldwide makeup of the church. I would guess there are more social democrats than conservatives worldwide
            Given that the center position of left/right outside the US is, by our politics, very left, I can agree with what you're saying. That said, someone like Mrs. Clinton would be considered a far right nutjob in Europe; over here, she's left of center.
            "Socialism is a philosophy of failure, the creed of ignorance and the gospel of envy; its inherent virtue is the equal sharing of misery." - Winston Churchill


            "I only know what I hear on the news." - Dear Leader

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            • #51
              Originally posted by JohnnyLingo View Post
              So really, Lebowski? I make three good-faith efforts to communicate with Babs, but because of two phrases, one I don't think was offensive and one that I intended to be after I got sick of not being taken seriously, I'm an awful human being.
              Come on. I didn't say that.

              You and I had a bit of a history on other boards, but I have tried to be friendly to you here on CUF. And I will continue to do so.

              Here is some free advice; take it or leave it. When you first started posting on CUF, you said something to the effect of "I am not here to make friends". That really puzzled me at the time and I think it is a strategy doomed to conflict and bad karma. Why not try a friendly approach? Don't be so defensive and don't take everything as an insult or slight. When someone comes after you, take a few punches without hitting back. Try some self-deprecating humor. Show a genuine concern for and interest in others. I think you will be surprised at the results. This is a great group of people and I think they would warm up to you quickly.
              "There is no creature more arrogant than a self-righteous libertarian on the web, am I right? Those folks are just intolerable."
              "It's no secret that the great American pastime is no longer baseball. Now it's sanctimony." -- Guy Periwinkle, The Nix.
              "Juilliardk N I ibuprofen Hyu I U unhurt u" - creekster

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              • #52
                Originally posted by Jeff Lebowski View Post
                Here is some free advice; take it or leave it. When you first started posting on CUF, you said something to the effect of "I am not here to make friends". That really puzzled me at the time and I think it is a strategy doomed to conflict and bad karma. Why not try a friendly approach? Don't be so defensive and don't take everything as an insult or slight. When someone comes after you, take a few punches without hitting back. Try some self-deprecating humor. Show a genuine concern for and interest in others. I think you will be surprised at the results. This is a great group of people and I think they would warm up to you quickly.
                I don't feel like I take everything as an insult or a slight; see my response to YOhio in this thread, for example.

                I went with self-deprecating humor pretty extensively on CG and it only invited more abuse for whatever reason. Not going that route again.

                Now as far as making friends goes, I'm sorry, but I'm still not interested. I see this as a place to exchange ideas, not somewhere to make friends. Maybe I need a paradigm shift, but for now, that's how it is. And if it means I take more hits than I would otherwise, fine. I'll be taking your and AA's advice and not hitting back for a while.

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                • #53
                  Originally posted by JohnnyLingo View Post
                  I don't feel like I take everything as an insult or a slight; see my response to YOhio in this thread, for example.

                  I went with self-deprecating humor pretty extensively on CG and it only invited more abuse for whatever reason. Not going that route again.

                  Now as far as making friends goes, I'm sorry, but I'm still not interested. I see this as a place to exchange ideas, not somewhere to make friends. Maybe I need a paradigm shift, but for now, that's how it is. And if it means I take more hits than I would otherwise, fine. I'll be taking your and AA's advice and not hitting back for a while.
                  Do what you've always done and you'll get what you've always got.

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                  • #54
                    Originally posted by UtahDan View Post
                    Do what you've always done and you'll get what you've always got.
                    <grammargirl cringes>

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                    • #55
                      Originally posted by JohnnyLingo View Post
                      Now as far as making friends goes, I'm sorry, but I'm still not interested. I see this as a place to exchange ideas, not somewhere to make friends.
                      You obviously don't get it. Unless you adopt a more friendly approach, this will never be a productive place for you to exchange ideas. 90% of the posters simply won't bother to engage you in a meaningful fashion.
                      "There is no creature more arrogant than a self-righteous libertarian on the web, am I right? Those folks are just intolerable."
                      "It's no secret that the great American pastime is no longer baseball. Now it's sanctimony." -- Guy Periwinkle, The Nix.
                      "Juilliardk N I ibuprofen Hyu I U unhurt u" - creekster

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                      • #56
                        Originally posted by Babs View Post
                        <grammargirl cringes>
                        I didn't make it up.

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                        • #57
                          Originally posted by Jeff Lebowski View Post
                          You obviously don't get it. Unless you adopt a more friendly approach, this will never be a productive place for you to exchange ideas. 90% of the posters simply won't bother to engage you in a meaningful fashion.
                          Being friendly is not the same thing as making friends. I'll be courteous and nice to people; I'm just not looking for someone to tailgate with this upcoming season.

                          I think the two can be separated.

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                          • #58
                            Originally posted by Babs View Post
                            <grammargirl cringes>
                            stop mildly flirting, please. it is so obvious.
                            Fitter. Happier. More Productive.

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                            • #59
                              Originally posted by Jeff Lebowski View Post
                              Come on. I didn't say that.

                              You and I had a bit of a history on other boards, but I have tried to be friendly to you here on CUF. And I will continue to do so.

                              Here is some free advice; take it or leave it. When you first started posting on CUF, you said something to the effect of "I am not here to make friends". That really puzzled me at the time and I think it is a strategy doomed to conflict and bad karma. Why not try a friendly approach? Don't be so defensive and don't take everything as an insult or slight. When someone comes after you, take a few punches without hitting back. Try some self-deprecating humor. Show a genuine concern for and interest in others. I think you will be surprised at the results. This is a great group of people and I think they would warm up to you quickly.
                              why have you never taken me under your wing like this?
                              Fitter. Happier. More Productive.

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                              • #60
                                Originally posted by TripletDaddy View Post
                                why have you never taken me under your wing like this?
                                He's St. Lebowski not St. Jude.

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