Impeaching Trump: Make America Sane Again

[frank ryan]

God bless Mitt Romney.

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He's going to pay a price I suspect. The state party will really go after him, but he has a clear conscience.

[Jeff Lebowski]

He's going to pay a price I suspect. The state party will really go after him, but he has a clear conscience.

That’s a solid trade.

[Moliere]

Understood. I’d do the same thing if I lived in Utah. In California, my bold and courageous stand means nothing. Still, the deed is done. One upside: fewer spam emails from twits like Devin Nunes.

I like that Texas has open primaries. I can remain unaffiliated and still vote against Ted Cruz or Bernie Sanders.

And Mitt is a freakin’ stud.

[Pelado]

I like that Texas has open primaries. I can remain unaffiliated and still vote against Ted Cruz or Bernie Sanders.

And Mitt is a freakin’ stud.

No need to bring up Mitt's breeding practices. Or, were you saying he's as boring as a slab of wood?

[frank ryan]

Moli, don't stop at Cruz, Cornyn is POS in his own right.

[BigFatMeanie]

I have to remain a republican so I can vote in the utah primaries which is where all the elections are decided.

United Utah party!

[BigFatMeanie]

Interesting bill being debated in the Utah Legislature:

https://www.ksl.com/article/50106715...ugh-utah-house

https://le.utah.gov/~2021/bills/static/HB0197.html

I don't like open primaries (otherwise what is the point of having political parties at all?) and the fact that the bill contains exceptions for:

Unaffiliated voters
Newly registered voters
Those switching to unaffiliated

means I would probably vote for it.

[Moliere]

Moli, don't stop at Cruz, Cornyn is POS in his own right.

Nope, he’s not as bad as Cruz and not as bad as his last opponent. If the Dems want me to vote against Cornyn, they need to put forth a worthy opponent.


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[frank ryan]

Cornyn has been a pretty committed Trump cheerleader and apologist. Texas could do a lot better, of course Abbot is lame as well.

[PaloAltoCougar]

Despite the inevitable disappointment of Trump's acquittal, I take considerable comfort that, uniquely in American history, his lamentable political life consists of two elections and two impeachment trials in which he failed each time to get even half of the votes, not to mention 48 months of approval ratings in which he never hit 50%. I'm extremely thankful he can now devote his energies to being a golf cheat.

[USUC]

Despite the inevitable disappointment of Trump's acquittal, I take considerable comfort that, uniquely in American history, his lamentable political life consists of two elections and two impeachment trials in which he failed each time to get even half of the votes, not to mention 48 months of approval ratings in which he never hit 50%. I'm extremely thankful he can now devote his energies to being a golf cheat.

In 4 years he lost the House, the Senate, and a presidential election. He is the epitome of a loser. You literally cant lose more as a president than he did.

What a great person to model your entire party around, isn't it?

[Bo Diddley]

In 4 years he lost the House, the Senate, and a presidential election. He is the epitome of a loser. You literally cant lose more as a president than he did.

What a great person to model your entire party around, isn't it?

That's hilarious.

But the SC!

[UVACoug]

I'm fully convinced that this played out exactly as Democrats wanted. They never wanted Trump convicted. They wanted Republicans to acquit him so they can hang that around their heads in future elections. They could have made this much more bipartisan if they wanted to by involving Republicans that supported impeachment in the drafting of the articles and appointing at least one of them as a house manager. They also could have avoided overcharging in the articles themselves. At the end of the day, "incitement" in the impeachment context is whatever Congress decides it is, but given that it also has a specific meaning in the criminal law, which the Democrats had to know they couldn't actually prove, it seems clear to me that this was set up to fail from the outset.

It's probably true that most of the Senate Republicans would not vote to convict under any circumstances, but the Democrats made it easier for them to say no when they didn't have to. And saying no is exactly what the Democrats wanted Senate Republicans to do. If they had drafted articles that were harder for Republicans to rebut (which would have been easy to do), or engaged in a more bipartisan process, they risked Trump actually being convicted and disqualified from future office. That was not in their best political interest though. They will now raise a ton of money off of the threat of Trump running again in 2024 and beyond.

I also think this explains why Democrats slow walked the process in the House a little bit. The bipartisan outrage over Trump's actions were at their peak on January 6th. Democrats could have easily voted on articles of impeachment on January 7th and sent them to the Senate that same day. But they waited until January 11th, using the stupid 25th amendment crap as their excuse for the delay, and didn't even deliver the articles to the Senate until January 25th, after Trump was already out of office. If they had acted immediately, I think the pressure on McConnell would have been very high to reconvene and hold a trial before the inauguration. McConnell was reportedly favoring impeachment at that point anyways. And it wasn't until January 13th, a week before the inauguration, that he publicly stated he wouldn't call Senators back for impeachment. I think a quick impeachment and trial would have had a better chance of resulting in conviction than what occurred. It would have also taken away the stupid argument that the post-inauguration trial was unconstitutional, which is what most Republicans relied on (not the lack of evidence to support the charges) in "justifying" their vote to acquit.

[Bo Diddley]

I hope the Democrats are able to score as many political points as possible after this dark episode in US history. I hope the GOP is burned to the ground and have to rebuild themselves into something better. But I am skeptical.

[BigFatMeanie]

Well, words have meaning.


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When I use a word," Humpty Dumpty said, in rather a scornful tone, "it means just what I choose it to mean—neither more nor less."
"The question is," said Alice, "whether you can make words mean so many different things."
"The question is," said Humpty Dumpty, "which is to be master—that's all."