Impeaching Trump: Make America Sane Again

[Topper]

Back to Clinton, "It's about the economy stupid." The economy is doing splendidly, as measured by me and mine. Our ward employment specialist has no work. When you compare my current purchasing power vs. 5 years ago, there is no contest. My investments in the stock market and my 401K is sky high. Compare my wealth vs "Trump trying to bring foreign influence into our election," who cares. In fact, I see the impeachment shenanigans as a luxury afforded by the fact that people dont have to worry about their jobs.

I dislike Trump and didn't vote for him. Pence may do better for the economy, or not. But if political hatred brings about a downturn in the economy which affect my wallet, I'm going to be pissed.

We're in the same boat.

[Topper]

Oh believe me, I am a staunch supporter of capitalism. But god help us if we can't value both a strong economy and ethical government.

If we can only have one, then ....

[Goatnapper'96]

Oh believe me, I am a staunch supporter of capitalism. But god help us if we can't value both a strong economy and ethical government.

We can't have it long when we are collectively not an ethical people. Donald Trump is a symptom of our (mankind) problems. We have men competing against women. Our civilization is going off the rails with absurdity and as our rubber band reaction our coalition fed up with the absurd elected Donald Trump. That is what our civilization has come to in how to effectively deal with the absurdity around us. Then to deal with our childish tantrum the Democrats are trying their best to out Donald Trump President Donald Trump. Because they actually really realize he is a symptom.

I agree with Katy. She realizes we are past the point of no return and the only thing we can do is to personally manage our individual cases to assure as much protection and comfort until it all blows up.

[Topper]

FWIW, I haven't been watching either. It's not a trial. McConnell has made sure of that and by his own admission is in direct coordination with Trump's defense team. We'll see if the GOP takes a political hit in November for that. I think they probably will.

With the constant pounding by the Dems, the GOP was going to take a hit no matter what. One of the things that Gingrich engineered with the "Contract" was a set of ideas. Right now, there aren't any articulated ideas coming from the GOP. That's a dangerous precedent. We need ideas to come from the GOP.

[creekster]

Oh believe me, I am a staunch supporter of capitalism. But god help us if we can't value both a strong economy and ethical government.

But that's the point. No one is saying it has to be one or the other. We can and need to value both. But what trump is accused of here is not Watergate. It isn't even Iran/contra or Fast and Furious, the latter of which saw Obama assert privilege against a subpoena for YEARS in the court system. SO you are setting up a false dichotomy between impeachment of Trump and not valuing ethics in government, especially given that we are willing to turn a blind eye to arrangements like the Bidens have with Burisma. The thing that bothers me the most is that this impeachment process, doomed as it has been from the beginning, is going to make it MORE rather than less likely that Trump is re-elected.

[Goatnapper'96]

FWIW, I haven't been watching either. It's not a trial. McConnell has made sure of that and by his own admission is in direct coordination with Trump's defense team. We'll see if the GOP takes a political hit in November for that. I think they probably will.

You think the electorate really can be persuaded on this issue at this point?

The electorate might hammer Trump/GOP again but there is nothing McConnell could do to help that.

Saying that I think this follows the same pattern as President Obama's tenure. I think Trump is building a strong cult following of folks who care a great deal more about Trump than they do the GOP. But Trump will pull in enough support down ballot along with the fatigue to the endless, but yet unfulfilled, "sky is falling" warnings about all things Trump that I think Republicans will hold the Senate and cut into Democrat lead in the House along with Trump being re-elected.

[Jeff Lebowski]

But that's the point. No one is saying it has to be one or the other. We can and need to value both. But what trump is accused of here is not Watergate. It isn't even Iran/contra or Fast and Furious, the latter of which saw Obama assert privilege against a subpoena for YEARS in the court system. SO you are setting up a false dichotomy between impeachment of Trump and not valuing ethics in government, especially given that we are willing to turn a blind eye to arrangements like the Bidens have with Burisma. The thing that bothers me the most is that this impeachment process, doomed as it has been from the beginning, is going to make it MORE rather than less likely that Trump is re-elected.

So many straw men, so little time.

[creekster]

So many straw men, so little time.

Sorry I am so unworthy of your time.

[BlueK]

You think the electorate really can be persuaded on this issue at this point?

The electorate might hammer Trump/GOP again but there is nothing McConnell could do to help that.

Saying that I think this follows the same pattern as President Obama's tenure. I think Trump is building a strong cult following of folks who care a great deal more about Trump than they do the GOP. But Trump will pull in enough support down ballot along with the fatigue to the endless, but yet unfulfilled, "sky is falling" warnings about all things Trump that I think Republicans will hold the Senate and cut into Democrat lead in the House along with Trump being re-elected.

Trump doesn't have as much of an angle on the electoral math as most seem to think he does. There really aren't any states the dems won last time where he has much of a shot outside of maybe a couple of small ones like NH. He won last time due to a slim margin (less than 1% each) across three states (MI, WI and PA) and can't afford to lose any of those. The polls in those haven't been very good for him so far but there is still plenty of time. Also, the polling in several important states he won last time that he needs again has been very tight (FL, AZ, etc.) He'll have to walk an electoral tightrope again. Could happen, but it's far from the done deal some think it is.

[Sullyute]

I think Republicans will hold the Senate and cut into Democrat lead in the House along with Trump being re-elected.

I hope you are a false prophet.

[Goatnapper'96]

I hope you are a false prophet.

I am far more confident in assuring you most of the problems we have under Trump will continue even if Trump is not reelected. Perhaps you are a hard core partisan and that alone will cause you to think that crisis has been averted, but the reality is he is a symptom more than a cause.

[frank ryan]

There you go. As long as we get our $$$, screw ethics and constitutional principles, right?

Not to mention national security. Trump’s gangster foreign policy is a genuine risk.

[SeattleUte]

Trump doesn't have as much of an angle on the electoral math as most seem to think he does. There really aren't any states the dems won last time where he has much of a shot outside of maybe a couple of small ones like NH. He won last time due to a slim margin (less than 1% each) across three states (MI, WI and PA) and can't afford to lose any of those. The polls in those haven't been very good for him so far but there is still plenty of time. Also, the polling in several important states he won last time that he needs again has been very tight (FL, AZ, etc.) He'll have to walk an electoral tightrope again. Could happen, but it's far from the done deal some think it is.

This is equally true for democrats. A narrow path to victory, but absent the advantages of incumbency in a super robust economy and peacetime. I think that if the democrats nominate Biden, Bloomberg or Klobuchar, they win. If one of the other contenders, they lose.

Recent polls are showing high disapproval ratings for all the Democrats running, which is a bad sign for democrats.

[BigFatMeanie]

Not to mention national security. Trump’s gangster foreign policy is a genuine risk.

You channeling Kim Jong Un?

[The_Tick]

And meanwhile, his FB posts have been filled with nothing but venom-spewing Republicans expressing their outrage that he would dare promise to keep an open mind and consider carefully the matter before him.

His FB/Twitter mentions are a bunch of Trump crotch sniffers that are busting his balls. It is terrible.