Social Media Outrage/Cancel Culture

[Pelado]

The powerful labour unions that we know today started due to the abhorrent working conditions steel workers faced at the outset of the US era of gilded age capitalism. That period of unfettered capitalism led to incredible social change, and forced an inherently socialist federal government to act to protect citizens. Capitalism unchecked leads to socialist policies and programs that can only be enforced by a federal mandate.

As Marx says, ya gotta go through Capitalism to get to socialism.

When did Marx say ya gotta go through a federal government to get to socialism? It seems that most socialist states have sprung up in countries with a dictator and/or oligarchy.

[wuapinmon]

FDR is considered by a lot of people, esp. his critics to be a socialist.

Of course they do. The bogeyman of political discourse in America (outside of academia) in the second-half of the 20th Century was the socialist in sheep's clothing. FDR is a socialist in that he embraced the working class, listened to their complaints, and then used consensus to create entitlements and programs to stave a full-scale revolution of labor in this country. He took the good ideas that socialists had about how to embrace the common good, and made them law. He was, however, a capitalist at heart, and his policies during the Second World War demonstrate the firm belief in private ownership of industry, only nationalizing certain key industries that threatened the war effort with labor strikes, including trucking companies, and oddly, Montgomery Ward to avert a strike.

If FDR was a socialist, so am I.

[frank ryan]

Anyone who wonders what the unfettered, unadulterated belief in laissez faire capitalism causes should examine all of the contributing factors of the Irish Potato Famine. There was plenty of food in Ireland. The abuses of the laissez faire elite (and their selling that doctrine to the European middle class) gave rise to the social conditions that fomented the rise of communism and socialism in Europe in the late 1800s. By the time most nations had internal combustion engines for farm work, the peasants who didn't have horrific factory jobs were left without any means to eat. It's little wonder that both cities and countryside rose up against the landed gentry and industrial tycoons and threatened to overthrow every government in the Western world. Fettered capitalism is great and how I like to live. Unfettered capitalism makes the rich richer and destroys the rights to life, liberty, and the pursuit of happiness.

Regulate business. Feed the hungry. Heal the sick. Invest in and maintain infrastructure. Protect the environment. Make sure soldiers who are injured or wounded in combat or training for combat enjoy a middle-class lifestyle. Expand opportunities for education (of all types). Give people employment who want it and can't find it (e.g., CCC, WPA). Fund research into every technology that will improve the quality of life. Be patriotic, not jingoistic. That's how you stave off socialism. FDR was a genius.

FDR is considered by a lot of people, esp. his critics to be a socialist.

[Katy Lied]

The powerful labour unions that we know today started due to the abhorrent working conditions steel workers faced at the outset of the US era of gilded age capitalism. That period of unfettered capitalism led to incredible social change, and forced an inherently socialist federal government to act to protect citizens. Capitalism unchecked leads to socialist policies and programs that can only be enforced by a federal mandate.

As Marx says, ya gotta go through Capitalism to get to socialism.

[wuapinmon]

Capitalism unchecked leads to socialist policies and programs that can only be enforced by a federal mandate.

Anyone who wonders what the unfettered, unadulterated belief in laissez faire capitalism causes should examine all of the contributing factors of the Irish Potato Famine. There was plenty of food in Ireland. The abuses of the laissez faire elite (and their selling that doctrine to the European middle class) gave rise to the social conditions that fomented the rise of communism and socialism in Europe in the late 1800s. By the time most nations had internal combustion engines for farm work, the peasants who didn't have horrific factory jobs were left without any means to eat. It's little wonder that both cities and countryside rose up against the landed gentry and industrial tycoons and threatened to overthrow every government in the Western world. Fettered capitalism is great and how I like to live. Unfettered capitalism makes the rich richer and destroys the rights to life, liberty, and the pursuit of happiness.

Regulate business. Feed the hungry. Heal the sick. Invest in and maintain infrastructure. Protect the environment. Make sure soldiers who are injured or wounded in combat or training for combat enjoy a middle-class lifestyle. Expand opportunities for education (of all types). Give people employment who want it and can't find it (e.g., CCC, WPA). Fund research into every technology that will improve the quality of life. Be patriotic, not jingoistic. That's how you stave off socialism. FDR was a genius.

[tooblue]

Revolution.

The powerful labour unions that we know today started due to the abhorrent working conditions steel workers faced at the outset of the US era of gilded age capitalism. That period of unfettered capitalism led to incredible social change, and forced an inherently socialist federal government to act to protect citizens. Capitalism unchecked leads to socialist policies and programs that can only be enforced by a federal mandate.

[Pelado]

Did the quartet practice in the park?

While we sang dirges in the dark.

I'm glad the reference wasn't wasted.

[frank ryan]

How do you figure? I don't remember Madison reading a book on Marx.

Found this trivia interesting. Lincoln and Marx were penpals.

https://www.google.com/amp/s/www.washingtonpost.com/history/2019/07/27/you-know-who-was-into-karl-marx-no-not-aoc-abraham-lincoln/%3foutputType=amp

[creekster]

Did the quartet practice in the park?

While we sang dirges in the dark.

[All-American]

How do you figure? I don't remember Madison reading a book on Marx.

Did the quartet practice in the park?

[Pelado]

What exactly does a federal government do? Among other things, it regulates trade and creates systems of taxation to pay for nationalized programs ... ie socialist programs.

Socialism is: “a political and economic theory of social organization which advocates that the means of production, distribution, and exchange should be owned or regulated by the community as a whole.”

What came first, the federal government, or socialism?

Revolution.

[tooblue]

Not seeing any support there for your statement that "the very idea of a "federal government" is in fact a socialist idea".

What exactly does a federal government do? Among other things, it regulates trade and creates systems of taxation to pay for nationalized programs ... ie socialist programs.

Socialism is: “a political and economic theory of social organization which advocates that the means of production, distribution, and exchange should be owned or regulated by the community as a whole.”

What came first, the federal government, or socialism?

[Pelado]

Sequentially and historically speaking, Marx likely read Madison, among others. Here's what looks like an interesting read:

The North American Origin of Marx's Socialism

https://www.jstor.org/stable/445958?seq=1

NOTE: it was published by the University of Utah

Not seeing any support there for your statement that "the very idea of a "federal government" is in fact a socialist idea".

[tooblue]

How do you figure? I don't remember Madison reading a book on Marx.

Sequentially and historically speaking, Marx likely read Madison, among others. Here's what looks like an interesting read:

The North American Origin of Marx's Socialism

https://www.jstor.org/stable/445958?seq=1

NOTE: it was published by the University of Utah

[Pelado]

So, when is the Donald going to eliminate all of the "economic and social interventions to promote social justice within the framework of [the US's] capitalist economy?" When will the federal government, under the charge of the swamp drainer stop "[regulating] ... the [US] economy in general, [and in the interest of] welfare state provisions?"

Of course, the very idea of a "federal government" is in fact a socialist idea, but I see all over Facebook that the Donald supposedly gets stuff done, so get'er done already!

How do you figure? I don't remember Madison reading a book on Marx.