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[dabrockster]

Proper training would absolutely have helped, if followed. An officer should never intentionally place himself in front of a vehicle in an attempt to intimidate, barricade, or as a show of force. And an officer should never assume a pointed gun at someone will stop them from driving. Doing what he did essentially creates a situation where one or both of them is guaranteed to be injured. The driver is going to panic because she has a gun pointed at her.

According to witnesses, the ICE officers had previously been telling her to turn around and leave. She was arguably following those orders when other ICE officers rushed her car and began telling her to stop. Then, as she is turning and beginning to drive away (turning--her wheels are cranked to the right) an officer in front of her pulls a gun and shoots her. Why was gunpoint even necessary? They had her license plate. They could have turned her into the police or even gone to her home and arrested her themselves (probably illegally, but let's assume the have the right to arrest someone for obstruction of (in)justice). Again, violence and intimidation is the point. This is what they are trained to do. And this is why people are coming out and filming them and yelling at them.

You may have "some" who have that purpose but their true purpose is to agitate, anger and cause agent to lose their cool and respond while they film the actions.. And then cry foul and horror to what transpired without any ownership to their actions. It is a gotcha-leftie move... And a method to sway public opinion against govt. and ICE. Let's not try and paint this as anything less than strategic actions to tote the line of not being arrested to push their buttons.

Even in all of these videos before the shooting, they were not just filming but being aggressive and taunting and look to incite actions.. They have blame in this and what we see across the country.. Not diminishing the need for the trained agent to block that out, but we are all human..

And JL recent post that this was a tragic death of two people being human and making a terrible decision in a intense situation.. As the post said. That is the "reality"..

[LVAllen]

You may have "some" who have that purpose but their true purpose is to agitate, anger and cause agent to lose their cool and respond while they film the actions.. And then cry foul and horror to what transpired without any ownership to their actions. It is a gotcha-leftie move... And a method to sway public opinion against govt. and ICE. Let's not try and paint this as anything less than strategic actions to tote the line of not being arrested to push their buttons.

Even in all of these videos before the shooting, they were not just filming but being aggressive and taunting and look to incite actions.. They have blame in this and what we see across the country.. Not diminishing the need for the trained agent to block that out, but we are all human..

And JL recent post that this was a tragic death of two people being human and making a terrible decision in a intense situation.. As the post said. That is the "reality"..

In other words, it is absolutely inconceivable to dabrockster that people might actually object to government agents storming neighborhoods and using violence and intimidation. That communities tend to react against that kind of behavior. It couldn't possibly be rage. It couldn't possibly be people actually protesting using the little power they have against an administration that clearly DGAF. Nope. Gotta be professional agitators. Gotta be "gotcha-lefties." Couldn't be Real Americans™ because Real Americans™ support the violence. Must be gawdless commies behind it. They're to blame.

[Maximus]

You may have "some" who have that purpose but their true purpose is to agitate, anger and cause agent to lose their cool and respond while they film the actions.. And then cry foul and horror to what transpired without any ownership to their actions. It is a gotcha-leftie move... And a method to sway public opinion against govt. and ICE. Let's not try and paint this as anything less than strategic actions to tote the line of not being arrested to push their buttons.

Even in all of these videos before the shooting, they were not just filming but being aggressive and taunting and look to incite actions.. They have blame in this and what we see across the country.. Not diminishing the need for the trained agent to block that out, but we are all human..

And JL recent post that this was a tragic death of two people being human and making a terrible decision in a intense situation.. As the post said. That is the "reality"..

oh geesh. blaming the victim on an intentional murder

[Maximus]

I've watched all the available videos. I do not find your assessment to be accurate. The officer was definitely in front of the car. She turned right into him and hit him as he sidestepped and fired.

clearly you havent. there is no way anyone can claim he was in front and in any danger of his life. you are either misrepresneitng on purpose or havent seen the videos.

[Maximus]

Possibly because he speaks truth and common sense.

think to yourself what you are defending for a second.

[Northwestcoug]

More video evidence of what is becoming increasingly clear: the woman was not trying to hit ICE, he was not directly in front of the car, and he most certainly shouldn't have shot her:

https://www.nytimes.com/video/us/100...ing-video.html

The usual suspects are still out this morning claiming domestic terrorism. Trash.

[PaloAltoCougar]

It's fascinating to read the difference in opinions on whether the shooter was culpable or justified, with a very bright line between those who are overall supportive of Trump and ICE and those who aren't. Especially on CB, people look at the shooting and think their position that the shooter was justified (most on CB, apparently), and others (most here) think he wasn't. I can't get past the idea that the shooter should not have drawn his weapon in the first place and began firing away only after the car was moving away from him. I don't think the driver saw the shooter until after she started to drive off,

Will he be prosecuted? The fact this occurred within blocks of where George Floyd was killed by an overzealous cop may be an unspoken reason why he will be. It's unfortunate that the cowardly shooter (why did he quickly leave the scene?) will be able to testify on his own behalf but the driver will not be,

[Northwestcoug]

A new detail that the Times video analysis reveals is that the shooter walked from behind the woman's vehicle filming it. He still had his phone out when he shot her. That would be good evidence to get. I wonder if it will totally stay undeleted...

[myboynoah]

It's fascinating to read the difference in opinions on whether the shooter was culpable or justified, with a very bright line between those who are overall supportive of Trump and ICE and those who aren't. Especially on CB, people look at the shooting and think their position that the shooter was justified (most on CB, apparently), and others (most here) think he wasn't. I can't get past the idea that the shooter should not have drawn his weapon in the first place and began firing away only after the car was moving away from him. I don't think the driver saw the shooter until after she started to drive off,

Will he be prosecuted? The fact this occurred within blocks of where George Floyd was killed by an overzealous cop may be an unspoken reason why he will be. It's unfortunate that the cowardly shooter (why did he quickly leave the scene?) will be able to testify on his own behalf but the driver will not be,

He fires two shots into the open window as she passed him and is leaving. She is no longer a threat to his life. What if an autopsy determines that it was one of those shots that actually killed her? He also pulled his gun very early and she is turning away from him. His decision to quickly leave the scene shows to me that he wanted no part of the on-site after action. He should not be carrying a deadly weapon.

It is hard for me to believe that local authorities are not going to pursue a criminal case against him.

[Jeff Lebowski]

It's fascinating to read the difference in opinions on whether the shooter was culpable or justified, with a very bright line between those who are overall supportive of Trump and ICE and those who aren't. Especially on CB, people look at the shooting and think their position that the shooter was justified (most on CB, apparently), and others (most here) think he wasn't. I can't get past the idea that the shooter should not have drawn his weapon in the first place and began firing away only after the car was moving away from him. I don't think the driver saw the shooter until after she started to drive off,

Will he be prosecuted? The fact this occurred within blocks of where George Floyd was killed by an overzealous cop may be an unspoken reason why he will be. It's unfortunate that the cowardly shooter (why did he quickly leave the scene?) will be able to testify on his own behalf but the driver will not be,

This seems accurate:

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[Moliere]

The shooting wasn’t justified even if the car bumped the officer.

[frank ryan]

This seems accurate:

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Confirmation bias applies to every news event

[Maximus]

This seems accurate:

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lol head in sand

*documented proof agent shot from side of car*

NO WAY TO KNOW!! cant criticize ICE

[dabrockster]

Good Grief.. That is some major stretching by Maximus and LVAllen. It is equally inconceivable for you two to look at this from other perspectives. I did not find fault in the victim nor have issue with protesting.. Stop your nonsense..

[Jeff Lebowski]

Confirmation bias applies to every news event

Yep.