President Trump: Making America Great Again...

[frank ryan]

Nuremberg trials set a president that "just following orders" is not a valid defense against illegal military actions.

Trump needs to curtail his rhetoric. It's stupid but it's dangerous too. Let's not wait until something violent happens to a Republican or Conservative to press to calmer words.
There have been political assassinations and attempted assassinations of Democrats and liberals.

Trump needs to take accountability and set the standards, and one would think he would having been a victim of political violence himself.

[PaloAltoCougar]

Kind of funny that the White House rage over a military veteran's perfectly reasonable statement that one should not obey illegal orders is coming from a draft dodger.

[myboynoah]

DOH!

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[falafel]

Rep. Ryan Zinke (R Montana), a former Navy SEAL Commander, is a real dumbass. Claimed on CNN this morning that the dem ad claimed that "this President is unconstitutional", and that therefore the democrats are advocating sedition, which he made sure to note is punishable by death under the UCMJ. Then Pamela Brown played the entire ad which, SURPRISE, does not say anything about the President or his administration being unconstitutional. Zinke then pivoted to saying we need to tone down the rhetoric in Washington.

What (or who) gives these guys the idea that they can just say whatever they want without consequence or fact-checking? Oh yeah...

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[PaloAltoCougar]

Rep. Ryan Zinke (R Montana), a former Navy SEAL Commander, is a real dumbass. Claimed on CNN this morning that the dem ad claimed that "this President is unconstitutional", and that therefore the democrats are advocating sedition, which he made sure to note is punishable by death under the UCMJ. Then Pamela Brown played the entire ad which, SURPRISE, does not say anything about the President or his administration being unconstitutional. Zinke then pivoted to saying we need to tone down the rhetoric in Washington.

What (or who) gives these guys the idea that they can just say whatever they want without consequence or fact-checking? Oh yeah...

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Yikes. That goes along with a comment I heard this morning on The Dispatch (a conservative/libertarian podcast) when one mentioned Trump's "Quiet, piggy" rebuke: "A strange comment coming from a man who appears to have been conceived using 300 lbs of Velveeta and a Jell-O mold."

[myboynoah]

Rep. Ryan Zinke (R Montana), a former Navy SEAL Commander, is a real dumbass. Claimed on CNN this morning that the dem ad claimed that "this President is unconstitutional", and that therefore the democrats are advocating sedition, which he made sure to note is punishable by death under the UCMJ. Then Pamela Brown played the entire ad which, SURPRISE, does not say anything about the President or his administration being unconstitutional. Zinke then pivoted to saying we need to tone down the rhetoric in Washington.

What (or who) gives these guys the idea that they can just say whatever they want without consequence or fact-checking? Oh yeah...

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Yeah, that guy, not the brightest bulb. He also made some reference to death being the penalty for sedition and tried to tie it to Washington at Valley Forge. Must have been fresh in his mind as Valley Forge was covered in Ken Burns' Revolution on PBS last night. Bad bad bad MAGA for watching PBS.

[Maximus]

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[falafel]

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Trump can be charmed.

[myboynoah]

The intern must have given the side-eye, or, he is brown.

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[BigPiney]

Those shirts are looking browner all the time

[Maximus]

Lmao

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[happyone]

Kind of funny that the White House rage over a military veteran's perfectly reasonable statement that one should not obey illegal orders is coming from a draft dodger.

Everyone who has ever been in the military knows that you don't obey an illegal order. By the same token you had better be damn sure that it is an illegal order or you will be spending a couple of yrs at Ft. Levenworth making little rocks out of big rocks! i

If you encourage others to disobey - that is mutiny and that IS punishable by death.

[dabrockster]

When looking at what the politicians have done, You have a former CIA operative who is known for destabilizing countries (Color Revolutions) and other former military personnel in a current political position telling our military to deem what is “illegal orders” and not obey them.

First, thank you for now putting our country in the same atmosphere of 3rd world countries where politicians have lobbied to their military branch to openly defy a sitting President. Many coups and actions by military has lead to the removal of a President. What they did was extremely dangerous and arrogant.

Second, it’s not your fucking job!! We have commanders, generals, Captain, etc. and the chain of command that make decisions on what is legal or illegal and ensure they do not. Soo. STFU..

Third. These statements can cause internal strife in the military that was unnecessary. You get some subtle solider who will take liberties and disobey orders and now face punishable action thinking they are doing the right thing. Yet, they do not care about the ramifications as they are not culpable. It’s just words.

And for those who think this is nothing. Let me know how the military COVID mandates were handled when military disobeyed that order and the loss of their position, benefits and discharged from the military was felt to those solders.. I didn’t see any Dems standing up to support those military personnel for their choice.

Hypocrites. The whole lot.

They act they are reaching out to our military to show support. Simple, keep your video about seeing them and hear them and you support them. Instead, you made it political and worse by encouraging defiance in our separate military branch. It was selfish and political. And nothing more.

[LVAllen]

So... your argument is that it's a legal order because it came through the chain of command? No, dabrockster. The existence of an order doesn't conclusively determine whether an order is legal or not. If it's not manifestly unlawful, the order enjoys a presumption of lawfulness, but that presumption can be overcome. Not sure why you think COVID vaccines was any different from the other vaccines that the members were ordered to accept.

If it is a manifestly unlawful order, there is no obligation to follow it and punishments may fall to those who do. However, all of the pressure falls upon the member of the military who is claiming that it is an illegal order to prove it in a court martial. Fail, and you see prison. Succeed, and the current President is likely to pardon the one who issued the unlawful order anyway.

You are pissed off at the people who are reminding the military of their obligation to refuse unlawful orders. I am pissed off at the ones issuing unlawful orders.

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[dabrockster]

So... your argument is that it's a legal order because it came through the chain of command? No, Brock. The existence of an order doesn't conclusively determine whether an order is legal or not. If it's not manifestly unlawful, the order enjoys a presumption of lawfulness, but that presumption can be overcome. Not sure why you think COVID vaccines was any different from the other vaccines that the members were ordered to accept.

If it is a manifestly unlawful order, there is no obligation to follow it and punishments may fall to those who do. However, all of the pressure falls upon the member of the military who is claiming that it is an illegal order to prove it in a court martial. Fail, and you see prison. Succeed, and the current President is likely to pardon the one who issued the unlawful order anyway.

You are pissed off at the people who are reminding the military of their obligation to refuse unlawful orders. I am pissed off at the ones issuing unlawful orders.

Show me an unlawful order.