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  • frank ryan
    Senior Member
    • Nov 2008
    • 12256

    #4696
    This is worth watching from Vice


    "Cantwell is a prominent “alt-right” shock jock who came to Charlottesville to speak at the “United the Right” rally. In the documentary, Cantwell and a posse of assorted white supremacists speak forcefully about the warped theories underpinning what they consider to be an impending and inevitable race war.

    “We’re not non-violent, we’ll fucking kill these people if we have to,” he tells Vice News Tonight correspondent, Elle Reeve, after we’ve seen him rinsing mace off his face with milk.

    Following the car attack that took the life of one of the protesters, 31-year-old Heather Heyer, and injured 19 others, Cantwell showed no regret, much less remorse. “I’d say it was worth it,” Cantwell says. “The fact that nobody on our side died, I’d go ahead and call that points for us.”

    “I think a lot more people are going to die here,” he says, smirking, and predicted even more violent encounters in the future."

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    • BlueK
      Senior Member
      • May 2011
      • 7110

      #4697
      Originally posted by Eddie View Post
      Sure - I'll buy that the dude committing the crime wouldn't necessarily view an immigrant family as "American". But maybe that's exactly what Trump WAS trying to say. This violence was against AMERICANS.
      That's the beauty of the way he phrased it, isn't it? Why not just a simple "racist violence against immigrants is repugnant?" Not much a KKK or neo-nazi can take license from to that statement. But the way he did say it -- to someone who wants to believe the victims didn't merit being called Americans, it's throwing them a bone or a wink and a nudge, as if to say, "yeah, I get it, we have to slam the damn doors shut to these folks." Sure, unless you can read Trump's mind you don't know for sure. But you have to admit it's a lot easier to read that mind after tonight.

      There is nothing new about public officials talking in this kind of doublespeak. It's been going on for the entire history of racist hate groups having to be underground. To people like David Duke it is loud and clear that this public official is with them, thus his statements at the riot/rally. To nice folks it goes over their heads.
      Last edited by BlueK; 08-15-2017, 08:20 PM.

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      • BlueK
        Senior Member
        • May 2011
        • 7110

        #4698
        Originally posted by frank ryan View Post
        This is worth watching from Vice


        "Cantwell is a prominent “alt-right” shock jock who came to Charlottesville to speak at the “United the Right” rally. In the documentary, Cantwell and a posse of assorted white supremacists speak forcefully about the warped theories underpinning what they consider to be an impending and inevitable race war.

        “We’re not non-violent, we’ll fucking kill these people if we have to,” he tells Vice News Tonight correspondent, Elle Reeve, after we’ve seen him rinsing mace off his face with milk.

        Following the car attack that took the life of one of the protesters, 31-year-old Heather Heyer, and injured 19 others, Cantwell showed no regret, much less remorse. “I’d say it was worth it,” Cantwell says. “The fact that nobody on our side died, I’d go ahead and call that points for us.”

        “I think a lot more people are going to die here,” he says, smirking, and predicted even more violent encounters in the future."

        http://www.motherjones.com/media/201...-battle-lines/
        "Some of these folks were really good people, believe me"

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        • PaloAltoCougar
          Semper infra dignitatem
          • Nov 2008
          • 16908

          #4699
          Originally posted by BlueK View Post
          "Some of these folks were really good people, believe me"
          I don't believe a really good person, no matter how sincere the belief in the ostensible cause, would go to, let alone remain at, a rally in support of that cause once he/she realized the organizers were a bunch of neo-Nazis and white nationalists. If I were such a person, and I found myself amidst a bunch of torch-carrying brownshirts shouting racist and anti-semitic crap, I think I'd tiptoe away as quickly as possible.

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          • wuapinmon
            Soul Plumber
            • Dec 2008
            • 30696

            #4700
            Originally posted by Commando View Post
            A bright spot in a thoroughly depressing day.
            Holy shit! That last paragraph!

            "Wuap's "problem" is that he is smart & principled & committed to a moral course of action. His actions are supposed to reflect his ethical code.
            The rest of us rarely bother to think about our actions." --Solon

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            • Commando
              Explosivo
              • Feb 2009
              • 20748

              #4701
              Wife With A Purpose done f*ked up!
              "I'm anti, can't no government handle a commando / Your man don't want it, Trump's a bitch! I'll make his whole brand go under,"

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              • frank ryan
                Senior Member
                • Nov 2008
                • 12256

                #4702
                Mitt gets it.

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                • Jeff Lebowski
                  Corporate lackey for Jesus
                  • Nov 2008
                  • 69409

                  #4703
                  Originally posted by old_gregg View Post
                  that press conference was an absolute shitshow and a disgrace to the office of potus. lol at you literal window licking idiots who think it was defensible in any respect. shame on you for your equivocation and implicit support of this.
                  Just saw the press conference. The President of the United States refuses to unequivocally condemns Nazi, proving that the prior statement of condemnation was a farce. That is just unbelievable.

                  John Kasich on TV this morning eviscerating Trump. Not sure I ever recall a president so thoroughly condemned the leaders of his own party. And rightly so.

                  Yes, at this point anyone still trying to parse and equivocate and defend Trump is an idiot. Good grief, there is no way to spin this. He has crossed a very bright line.
                  "There is no creature more arrogant than a self-righteous libertarian on the web, am I right? Those folks are just intolerable."
                  "It's no secret that the great American pastime is no longer baseball. Now it's sanctimony." -- Guy Periwinkle, The Nix.
                  "Juilliardk N I ibuprofen Hyu I U unhurt u" - creekster

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                  • frank ryan
                    Senior Member
                    • Nov 2008
                    • 12256

                    #4704
                    Originally posted by Jeff Lebowski View Post
                    Just saw the press conference. The President of the United States refuses to unequivocally condemns Nazi, proving that the prior statement of condemnation was a farce. That is just unbelievable.

                    John Kasich on TV this morning eviscerating Trump. Not sure I ever recall a president so thoroughly condemned the leaders of his own party. And rightly so.

                    Yes, at this point anyone still trying to parse and equivocate and defend Trump is an idiot. Good grief, there is no way to spin this. He has crossed a very bright line.
                    Careful, you are going to draw the ire of the Trump normalizers.

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                    • Walter Sobchak
                      Adventurer
                      • Oct 2009
                      • 3815

                      #4705
                      Originally posted by Jeff Lebowski View Post
                      Yes, at this point anyone still trying to parse and equivocate and defend Trump is an idiot. Good grief, there is no way to spin this. He has crossed a very bright line.
                      The Trump as an idiot line was crossed a long, long time ago.
                      You're actually pretty funny when you aren't being a complete a-hole....so basically like 5% of the time. --Art Vandelay
                      Almost everything you post is snarky, smug, condescending, or just downright mean-spirited. --Jeffrey Lebowski

                      Anyone can make war, but only the most courageous can make peace. --President Donald J. Trump
                      You furnish the pictures, and I’ll furnish the war. --William Randolph Hearst

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                      • frank ryan
                        Senior Member
                        • Nov 2008
                        • 12256

                        #4706
                        Originally posted by Walter Sobchak View Post
                        The Trump as an idiot line was crossed a long, long time ago.
                        Jeff means those who defend Trump's racism are idiots.

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                        • BlueK
                          Senior Member
                          • May 2011
                          • 7110

                          #4707
                          Originally posted by frank ryan View Post
                          Careful, you are going to draw the ire of the Trump normalizers.
                          They have been quiet since the wheels off press conference. Some will probably be back at some point to defend some more. But I do think Trump with his performance knocked a few others off his own bandwagon.

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                          • Shaka
                            Senior Member
                            • Dec 2008
                            • 10432

                            #4708
                            Originally posted by frank ryan View Post
                            Careful, you are going to draw the ire of the Trump normalizers.
                            Why? In this case Trump's being a dope. JL is rational in his Trump criticism and is palatable when compared to the guy who cries wolf twenty times a day.

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                            • frank ryan
                              Senior Member
                              • Nov 2008
                              • 12256

                              #4709
                              Originally posted by Shaka View Post
                              Why? In this case Trump's being a dope. JL is rational in his Trump criticism and is palatable when compared to the guy who cries wolf twenty times a day.
                              You're an idiot and consistently wrong about all things political. I'll say it again, the fact you "loved" Trump's inauguration speech disqualifies you from the being the voice of reason.
                              Last edited by frank ryan; 08-16-2017, 07:23 AM.

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                              • Shaka
                                Senior Member
                                • Dec 2008
                                • 10432

                                #4710
                                Originally posted by frank ryan View Post
                                You're an idiot and consistently wrong about all things political. I'll say it again, the fact you "loved" Trump's inauguration speech disqualifies you from the being the voice of reason.
                                Riiiiiiiiiight

                                Enjoying your own personal echo chamber?

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