President Trump: Making America Great Again...

[Northwestcoug]

I guess I should have added nine, any of those nine countries that have restrictions. I watched various TV programs and a lot of lawyers including Alan Dershowitz who said disqualifying it based on religion was bogus. For the court to refer back to campaign speech and something Rudy said, but wasn't in the document was bogus.

You side with the lawyers who claim religious discrimination because of the excreption for Christians and I side with the lawyers that called that bogus. Now, with the new executive order not having the exception for Christians in it, it will be interesting to see how a claim of religious discrimation is made.

Everybody keeps making this claim, yet Trump is still pretty clear about what type of ban this is:

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[byu71]

Everybody keeps making this claim, yet Trump is still pretty clear about what type of ban this is:

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OK if I tell a bunch of people I am going to rob a bank and then a credit union a block away and after robbing the bank, I think it unwise to try and rob the credit union too, can I be charged with robbing the bank and the credit union?

[Northwestcoug]

OK if I tell a bunch of people I am going to rob a bank and then a credit union a block away and after robbing the bank, I think it unwise to try and rob the credit union too, can I be charge with robbing the bank and the credit union?

Before I answer, is the bank well capitalized?

[byu71]

LOL

[Uncle Ted]

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LOL. That is a correct assessment about Barney Frank... but I would never post that in a tweet.

[Uncle Ted]

So O'Keefe, the ACORN video guy, says he has the dirt on CNN(?) and will release it tomorrow...

James O’Keefe Threatens To Release ‘Hundreds Of Hours’ Of Leaked Newsroom Footage Soon

Conservative provocateur James O’Keefe III said on Tuesday that he will soon release “hundreds of hours” of unaired footage secreted out of a major news organization.


The footage could come as early as Thursday, he told Fox News host Sean Hannity during a radio interview. The footage was provided to him, O’Keefe said, by people inside the network.


A Huffington Post reporter, who was also on the radio program, asked if O’Keefe had acquired the footage from camera or set crew members who would have access to it, but he declined to say. Networks record off-air interactions between hosts, reporters and guests, and a crew member sympathetic to O’Keefe’s cause could potentially access a lot of material.

After the radio interview was recorded, HuffPost asked if O’Keefe would be releasing footage from multiple newsrooms or just one. “One corporation, multiple newsrooms,” he said.


O’Keefe said he’d be releasing the footage “WikiLeaks-style.” In fact, WikiLeaks has several distinct styles. At times, the organization has worked with major media outlets to break stories. In other instances, it has dumped everything it had on the internet at once. In the case of the John Podesta emails, WikiLeaks released new batches day by day.


O’Keefe wouldn’t divulge which particular network would be hit, but said it was one President Donald Trump has spent much time talking about recently. “It’s the one he’s always targeting,” O’Keefe said.


That would seem to suggest CNN. Trump has been on a tear against the network since it revealed the existence of an allegedly embarrassing dossier that intelligence agencies were investigating.
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http://www.huffingtonpost.com/entry/...b04a0b274dddf2

If so, Drumpf will never stop tweeting about CNN's fake news.

[Commando]

http://www.cnn.com/2016/11/20/middle...tianity-peril/

This is an example of the sort of persectuion Trump has pointed at. And yes, the constitution is perfectly fine with the USA favoring one religious group over another for purposes of granting asylum. Moreover, very few posts in this thread are describing the last EO accurately, and none of them can perfectly predict the next one. I think we should wait and see what it says before we get all lathered up again.

Agreed. However, we're not talking about asylum, where government sanctioned persecution on basis of religious faith is a ground of eligibility. We're talking about the granting of visas, residency, and refugee status.

[creekster]

Agreed. However, we're not talking about asylum, where government sanctioned persecution on basis of religious faith is a ground of eligibility. We're talking about the granting of visas, residency, and refugee status.

We are not sure what we are talking about, as the revised order has not issued yet. There will be plenty of time for knicker-twisting when it comes out.

[Commando]

I guess I should have added nine, any of those nine countries that have restrictions. I watched various TV programs and a lot of lawyers including Alan Dershowitz who said disqualifying it based on religion was bogus. For the court to refer back to campaign speech and something Rudy said, but wasn't in the document was bogus.

You side with the lawyers who claim religious discrimination because of the excreption for Christians and I side with the lawyers that called that bogus. Now, with the new executive order not having the exception for Christians in it, it will be interesting to see how a claim of religious discrimation is made.

A lot of the problem was the claiming of presidential privilege in making a determination, which is reserved for emergent circumstances, for no apparent reason. Counsel was asked point blank if there was an increased danger and they side-stepped the question and deferred to the president's judgment, eventually stating that his discretion was final and irreversible-- even in the event that discretion included a violation of the Constitution. The panel disagreed.

[Commando]

We are not sure what we are talking about, as the revised order has not issued yet. There will be plenty of time for knicker-twisting when it comes out.

We are talking about the ban. It talks about a ban of admission of people from certain countries. Admission comes in one of two forms- as a non-immigrant and that of an immigrant. Both forms were banned under all circumstances from the named countries. Except minority religions seeking refugee status.

Asylum is a status unto itself whose end is admission as an immigrant, but it is not adjudicated abroad by the DOS and not mentioned in the EO.

[creekster]

We are talking about the ban. It talks about a ban of admission of people from certain countries. Admission comes in one of two forms- as a non-immigrant and that of an immigrant. Both forms were banned under all circumstances from the named countries. Except minority religions seeking refugee status.

Asylum is a status unto itself whose end is admission as an immigrant, but it is not adjudicated abroad by the DOS and not mentioned in the EO.

As you know the original EO is going to be superseded by a new EO by the end of this week. I am unaware how it treats this issue. If you know how it treats it, then fill me in. But until I see the new EO, I am going to withhold judgment.

[Commando]

As you know the original EO is going to be superseded by a new EO by the end of this week. I am unaware how it treats this issue. If you know how it treats it, then fill me in. But until I see the new EO, I am going to withhold judgment.

Probably just slightly more narrow in scope, specific start and ending dates, more specific criteria for each country's ban to be lifted, and implemented this time with a rollout plan so that travelers aren't stranded. I don't expect it to spare green card holders.

[creekster]

Probably just slightly more narrow in scope, specific start and ending dates, more specific criteria for each country's ban to be lifted, and implemented this time with a rollout plan so that travelers aren't stranded. I don't expect it to spare green card holders.

I thought I read that it WOULD spare green card holders. Time will tell.

[Commando]

I thought I read that it WOULD spare green card holders. Time will tell.

Yeah I was surprised too- just a rumor I heard, but sadly the worst rumors of this administration have all had legs. I hope it's wrong.

[imanihonjin]

So O'Keefe, the ACORN video guy, says he has the dirt on CNN(?) and will release it tomorrow...


http://www.huffingtonpost.com/entry/...b04a0b274dddf2

If so, Drumpf will never stop tweeting about CNN's fake news.

O'Keefe continues to over promise and under deliver. I hate that guy.