President Trump: Making America Great Again...

[BlueK]

Also more irresponsible than Trump. At least Trump's top secret documents were secure.

Were they? Mar a Lago is pretty well known for attracting foreign officials, agents, and spies. Just pay the money and you're in. It's a club. I'm going to assume some might know how to pick locks too.

[Commando]

Were they? Mar a Lago is pretty well known for attracting foreign officials, agents, and spies. Just pay the money and you're in. It's a club. I'm going to assume some might know how to pick locks too.

Not only that- there is evidence that he purposely moved boxes and boxes of those documents to Florida on his way out and was aggressively hiding them from the U.S. government when they asked for them. Think of that-- there were enough missing that they actually noticed. Why did he want them? His bullshit story that they were just folders that had 'top secret' on them that he kept as a 'cool keepsake' is pretty insulting. I'll be curious to find out what this investigation unearths. Trump is gambling that he gets elected president before that happens so he can squash it. What a douche.

[falafel]

Not only that- there is evidence that he purposely moved boxes and boxes of those documents to Florida on his way out and was aggressively hiding them from the U.S. government when they asked for them. Think of that-- there were enough missing that they actually noticed. Why did he want them? His bullshit story that they were just folders that had 'top secret' on them that he kept as a 'cool keepsake' is pretty insulting. I'll be curious to find out what this investigation unearths. Trump is gambling that he gets elected president before that happens so he can squash it. What a douche.

Better than putting them next to the Corvette in the garage? I'm guessing Pence kept his in the pages of his large print family bible.

These guys are all a bunch of clowns.

[Clark Addison]

Better than putting them next to the Corvette in the garage? I'm guessing Pence kept his in the pages of his large print family bible.

These guys are all a bunch of clowns.

Were the classified documents ever allowed to be alone with Pence's wife?

[Jeff Lebowski]

Were the classified documents ever allowed to be alone with Pence's wife?

I don't care what anyone says, Clark. You are a funny dude.

[PaloAltoCougar]

I suspect every living person who has served in any governmental position involving state secrets is currently going their homes, garages, golf courses, whatever, searching for docs. I wonder how many successful searches will result in the wrongful (but secretive) destruction of their finds. If nothing else, the current discoveries are an alarming revelation about the sieve-like security our government apparently provides for its confidential information.

[myboynoah]

I suspect every living person who has served in any governmental position involving state secrets is currently going their homes, garages, golf courses, whatever, searching for docs. I wonder how many successful searches will result in the wrongful (but secretive) destruction of their finds. If nothing else, the current discoveries are an alarming revelation about the sieve-like security our government apparently provides for its confidential information.

Sure, the physical security is sieve-like. Anyone can walk out the door with classified docs in their pockets, backpacks, purses, manbags, etc. Enterprising people can easily figure how to put stuff on electronic media and walk out the door. The deterrent is legal action if one is passing the info to uncleared people or foreign governments. Another is deterrent losing one's clearances if one is sloppy, which is a job killer. But there are very limited reasons to take classified info outside the office. Work happens in the office. I suspect the vast majority of bureaucrats (or the DEEP STATE) follow these rules religiously. Their jobs depend on it. Plus, they are loyal citizens who recognize the need to follow the rules and do so willingly.

Politicians are a different breed. They often see the rules as a deterrent to the them "getting the job done." Since they are elected, I suspect they see themselves as "above all these restrictions." Hillary was certainly that way. Trump for sure. Biden likely, as well as Pence. Plus, exceptions are made for them and their teams. Look at Jared. He was denied clearances until exceptions were made. What about George Santos? That guy, by virtue of being elected, will have access to classified material.

[PaloAltoCougar]

Sure, the physical security is sieve-like. Anyone can walk out the door with classified docs in their pockets, backpacks, purses, manbags, etc. Enterprising people can easily figure how to put stuff on electronic media and walk out the door. The deterrent is legal action if one is passing the info to uncleared people or foreign governments. Another is deterrent losing one's clearances if one is sloppy, which is a job killer. But there are very limited reasons to take classified info outside the office. Work happens in the office. I suspect the vast majority of bureaucrats (or the DEEP STATE) follow these rules religiously. Their jobs depend on it. Plus, they are loyal citizens who recognize the need to follow the rules and do so willingly.

Politicians are a different breed. They often see the rules as a deterrent to the them "getting the job done." Since they are elected, I suspect they see themselves as "above all these restrictions." Hillary was certainly that way. Trump for sure. Biden likely, as well as Pence. Plus, exceptions are made for them and their teams. Look at Jared. He was denied clearances until exceptions were made. What about George Santos? That guy, by virtue of being elected, will have access to classified material.

That all makes sense, and is very disturbing re Santos.

[Pelado]

That all makes sense, and is very disturbing re Santos.

Perhaps there is some small comfort that nobody would believe him even if he did divulge classified information.

[Bo Diddley]

Perhaps there is some small comfort that nobody would believe him even if he did divulge classified information.

[Maximus]

Were the classified documents ever allowed to be alone with Pence's wife?

[Commando]

Better than putting them next to the Corvette in the garage? I'm guessing Pence kept his in the pages of his large print family bible.

These guys are all a bunch of clowns.

A lot better. I mean it's not great, but with the limited information and what I know about Joe Biden, I'm not worried. I mean there is a chance those were nuclear codes and military secrets he was selling to Putin, but come on. Those could have been old obsolete briefings that he took home to study over the weekend and put in a box for all I know. There is no information that he was affirmatively hiding reams of classified documents from the U.S. government and lying about it, so I am not feeling the false equivalency here.

[Scott R Nelson]

This was a very interesting podcast about top secret documents and how they are handled. I found it worth listening to for 45+ minutes.

[Uncle Ted]

Noooooooooooooo... Facebook may survive now! Keep Drumpf off.

Y'all need to delete your FaceBook accounts now so that you don't triggered and get crazy.



Hey, why isn't this guy in jail yet for inciting violence and sh*t?

[Jeff Lebowski]

Noooooooooooooo... Facebook may survive now! Keep Drumpf off.

Y'all need to delete your FaceBook accounts now so that you don't triggered and get crazy.


Hey, why isn't this guy in jail yet for inciting violence and sh*t?

Yeah, one thing you never see on facebook these days is MAGA folks saying dumb things.