President Trump: Making America Great Again...

[Uncle Ted]

If the CIA wanted Trump to win and was willing to go to those lengths to get it done, then they're really stupid because their life would have been a lot easier with a Clinton presidency than it will be under Trump.

Keep in mind that Drumpf is more likely easier for the CIA to make a puppet president than Clinton... they most likely have all kinds of dirt on him and his kids. And according to the secret service Hillary is a b*tch to work will. That fact has most likely made the rounds in all the agencies.

“Good morning, ma’am,” a member of the uniformed Secret Service once greeted Hillary Clinton.


“F— off,” she replied.

LOL.

The CIA wanted Drumpf more than Clinton to be president. This is the only logical explanation how Clinton could piss away the lead she had in the last minute of the election...

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Think about it, man.

[Paperback Writer]

... And according to the secret service Hillary is a b*tch to work will. That fact has most likely made the rounds in all the agencies.

“Good morning, ma’am,” a member of the uniformed Secret Service once greeted Hillary Clinton.


“F— off,” she replied.

Maybe Hillary was just channeling her inner Sgt Major Plumley:

[BlueK]

Practical and theoretical concerns.

In theory, we should expect our candidates to be honorable people who follow the laws to the letter. I agree with this.

In practice, it always becomes more ambiguous than pundits, voters or advocates wish to depict.

I have lost interest on this issue. As a practical matter, I believe there are several nations we do not trust, Russia, China, Iran, North Korea, Cuba and few others. Yet we still need to interact with these countries and don't need to antagonize them at every step. That's realpolitik.

As another aside, Russia trying to influence the election should come as no surprise. There is ample evidence the US does this. Any outrage about Russia emulating the US is of little value.

Now, Trump's Russian contacts concern me insofar as he would make concessions for his personal financial benefit. That is irreconcilable. That should be investigated to identify conflicts of interest and to avoid them.

I find it far-fetched that Trump teamed up with the Russians to influence the election. The most probable purpose of pre-election contacts are likely to be a feeling out, "what will the new administration do in regards to X." That makes the most geo-political sense. Why would the Russians mess with an election if they didn't have anything to gain, other than to show the world they can?

Your assumption that something which likely did not happen should be investigated in the political realm makes no sense. Political witch hunts go on forever. I've not seen any evidence suggested that the Russians changed the actual count of votes. If the computation of votes was not compromised, then Blue K's description of "colluding with Russia to screw with our democracy" is invalid.

The allegations taken at their worst is that the Russians sought to influence public opinion so that voters would make a decision. And if we go that far that Team Trump colluded with the attempt to influence public opinion. I don't believe enough voters care and most voters disagree that this is screwing with our democracy. Public opinion is swayed and influenced by all sorts of devious means. We have Harry Reid claiming Mitt Romney didn't file tax returns and didn't pay taxes, when he knew such allegation was false. Is his intentional falsehood a criminal offense? Just because he didn't have a foreign government promoting this false accusation, is there anything different than Russians disseminating material designed to influence the opinions of voters? I see it on the same scale. Bad stuff, but not a threat to our democracy in the traditional sense of an armed assault on our armies, or our financial system, or the voting booths. This is about information provided.

How was Team Trump supposed to have colluded? Did they provide computers for the Russians to use? Did they make up the stuff so that the Russians would disseminate it? If you look at what actually occurred, your depiction of it is over the top.

I don't see investigation of the misinformation and propaganda dissemination by the Russians as what should be investigated. The potential financial conflicts, yes. That is the potential for harm.

The real threat to our democracy is a stupid electorate, which neither party has a monopoly on. The problem is our technology today allows these gullible morons to be even more easily influenced by fake news on facebook and other places sent over by fake news sites coming from weird countries like Macedonia, most of which in the last election for whatever reason had the intention of getting a lot of dolts to vote for Trump. By the way, apparently they were working just as hard to support Sanders at the same time. Ironically, in many ways the joke is turning back on Putin as he realizes Trump is even stupider and more chaotic and unpredictable than he thought.

[myboynoah]

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[frank ryan]

Some more on Manafort's relationships with the Russians, and his ambitions for them

https://apnews.com/122ae0b5848345faa...tin-Government

"Manafort proposed in a confidential strategy plan as early as June 2005 that he would influence politics, business dealings and news coverage inside the United States, Europe and the former Soviet republics to benefit the Putin government, even as U.S.-Russia relations under Republican President George W. Bush grew worse. Manafort pitched the plans to Russian aluminum magnate Oleg Deripaska, a close Putin ally with whom Manafort eventually signed a $10 million annual contract beginning in 2006, according to interviews with several people familiar with payments to Manafort and business records obtained by the AP. Manafort and Deripaska maintained a business relationship until at least 2009, according to one person familiar with the work."

Hacked text messages from his daughter have been out there for awhile. Some of them paint Manafort in a poor light:"Don't fool yourself," Andrea wrote to her sister, according to the texts. "That money we have is blood money."

"You know he has killed people in Ukraine? Knowingly," she continued, according to the reviewed texts. "As a tactic to outrage the world and get focus on Ukraine. Remember when there were all those deaths taking place. A while back. About a year ago. Revolts and what not. Do you know whose strategy that was to cause that, to send those people out and get them slaughtered."

http://www.businessinsider.com/paul-...ukraine-2017-3

[Uncle Ted]

Some more on Manafort's relationships with the Russians, and his ambitions for them

https://apnews.com/122ae0b5848345faa...tin-Government

"Manafort proposed in a confidential strategy plan as early as June 2005 that he would influence politics, business dealings and news coverage inside the United States, Europe and the former Soviet republics to benefit the Putin government, even as U.S.-Russia relations under Republican President George W. Bush grew worse. Manafort pitched the plans to Russian aluminum magnate Oleg Deripaska, a close Putin ally with whom Manafort eventually signed a $10 million annual contract beginning in 2006, according to interviews with several people familiar with payments to Manafort and business records obtained by the AP. Manafort and Deripaska maintained a business relationship until at least 2009, according to one person familiar with the work."

Hacked text messages from his daughter have been out there for awhile. Some of them paint Manafort in a poor light:"Don't fool yourself," Andrea wrote to her sister, according to the texts. "That money we have is blood money."

"You know he has killed people in Ukraine? Knowingly," she continued, according to the reviewed texts. "As a tactic to outrage the world and get focus on Ukraine. Remember when there were all those deaths taking place. A while back. About a year ago. Revolts and what not. Do you know whose strategy that was to cause that, to send those people out and get them slaughtered."

http://www.businessinsider.com/paul-...ukraine-2017-3

[old_gregg]

yes, this is all totally normal

[Uncle Ted]

Let me get this straight... The FBI was denied repeated requests to examine the DNC's servers and Podesta's smartphone/computer and now this:

Cyber Firm at Center of Russian Hacking Charges Misread Data



An influential British think tank and Ukraine’s military are disputing a report that the U.S. cybersecurity firm CrowdStrike has used to buttress its claims of Russian hacking in the presidential election.


The CrowdStrike report, released in December, asserted that Russians hacked into a Ukrainian artillery app, resulting in heavy losses of howitzers in Ukraine’s war with Russian-backed separatists.


But the International Institute for Strategic Studies (IISS) told VOA that CrowdStrike erroneously used IISS data as proof of the intrusion. IISS disavowed any connection to the CrowdStrike report. Ukraine’s Ministry of Defense also has claimed combat losses and hacking never happened.


The challenges to CrowdStrike’s credibility are significant because the firm was the first to link last year’s hacks of Democratic Party computers to Russian actors, and because CrowdStrike co-founder Dimiti Alperovitch has trumpeted its Ukraine report as more evidence of Russian election tampering.
[...]

http://www.voanews.com/a/crowdstrike...p/3776067.html


Wait, here is something... Dimiti Alperovitch, the CrowdStrike co-founder and CTO was born in Russia!!! The dems were working with the Russians instead of the FBI!

[Jeff Lebowski]

[myboynoah]

Yes, please take him with you, Jesus!

[Jeff Lebowski]

Yes, please take him with you, Jesus!

I think Jesus is holding him still while that poisonous gas in the oval office finishes him off!

[myboynoah]

I think Jesus is holding him still while that poisonous gas in the oval office finishes him off!

That's the Holy Ghost. Same effect on Trump.

[YOhio]

OMG WHERE DID YOU SEE THAT, JL!?!?!

[Jeff Lebowski]

OMG WHERE DID YOU SEE THAT, JL!?!?!

Facebook.

[BlueK]

Unfortunately so typical of our moron in chief

"17-year-old Lucy from San Francisco recently designed a site called Kittenfeed.com (initially called TrumpScratch), where users get to punch Trump's face with tiny little kitchen paws. It seemed like a pretty harmless, anti-Trump site (the kittens don't even scratch!) — until she got a letter from the lawyers of a certain "well known businessman.

That "internationally known" and "famous" businessman (his lawyers words, not mine) is, of course, Donald Trump. In the letter, Trump's general counsel encourages the teen to cease and desist and shut down the website."

https://www.yahoo.com/news/teen-made...130015650.html