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  • Originally posted by PaloAltoCougar View Post

    That's true for a lot of stuff Trump does. It's the methods he employs to accomplish them that are objectionable and divisive. The issue was created by Trump. A more thoughtful leader could have done this easily, but we don't have one.
    The issue? The inadequacy of White House party hearty facilities has been an issue known to me since young lad Shaka visited the White House. Stupid tent! Sheesh, I'm old because that was decades ago. The parental units were lucky because they actually got to attend an East Room gala hosted by Reagan.

    I get that you think it will end up as a more garish version of Trump Plaza, but you should probably blame every previous president going back to Nixon or Kennedy for kicking the can down the road and leaving it to Trump the Builder to fix.

    As far as methods, Presidents can use public funding with the approval of Congress or seek private donations. He found donors, and they are funding it. Win/Win

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    • Originally posted by Shaka View Post

      If they reall wanted to get the right's goat they would rename it Gulf of Mexico Ballroom.
      "Discipleship is not a spectator sport. We cannot expect to experience the blessing of faith by standing inactive on the sidelines any more than we can experience the benefits of health by sitting on a sofa watching sporting events on television and giving advice to the athletes. And yet for some, “spectator discipleship” is a preferred if not primary way of worshipping." -Pres. Uchtdorf

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      • Originally posted by Shaka View Post

        The issue? The inadequacy of White House party hearty facilities has been an issue known to me since young lad Shaka visited the White House. Stupid tent! Sheesh, I'm old because that was decades ago. The parental units were lucky because they actually got to attend an East Room gala hosted by Reagan.

        I get that you think it will end up as a more garish version of Trump Plaza, but you should probably blame every previous president going back to Nixon or Kennedy for kicking the can down the road and leaving it to Trump the Builder to fix.

        As far as methods, Presidents can use public funding with the approval of Congress or seek private donations. He found donors, and they are funding it. Win/Win
        i genuinely appreciate your efforts to defend Trump. And I appreciate the humble brag about your WH visit (which i'll counter by noting the hour or so i spent in the Situation Room) and agree a new ballroom is needed. Were I the President, I would, among other things, (i) begin by stating why a ballroom is needed, and then ask Congress to approve such an addition and allocate funds for the project (it's Congress, not the President, that controls federal property--but Trump believes he has supreme authority over the federal government and Congress is at most, a needless impediment to whatever he wants to do); (ii) not announce we won't damage the existing White House and then surprise everyone by suddenly and completely destroying the East Wing; (iii) seek the input and approval of, and not ignore, the National Trust for Historic Preservation which has said a new ballroom is needed; and (iv) would file the correct building plans and environmental assessments and required by law. I would not seek or accept private donations. Sure, it'd be nice to save some dollars and reduce if only slightly the huge deficit Trump is generating, but this is the people's house we're talking about and I don't want any sponsorships, personal or political favors, quid pro quos, etc.

        And all this ignores the pretty awful design Trump came up with, including its absurd and visually incongruous size, the stairway to nowhere, the vision-blocking pillars etc.

        Sadly, Trump did not consult me, nor anyone else apparently.

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        • Originally posted by PaloAltoCougar View Post

          i genuinely appreciate your efforts to defend Trump.
          I just think this issue is a waste of time when compared to the Church's important lawsuit against Mormon Stories.

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          • Originally posted by PaloAltoCougar View Post
            Were I the President, I would, among other things, (i) begin by stating why a ballroom is needed, and then ask Congress to approve such an addition and allocate funds for the project (it's Congress, not the President, that controls federal property--but Trump believes he has supreme authority over the federal government and Congress is at most, a needless impediment to whatever he wants to do); (ii) not announce we won't damage the existing White House and then surprise everyone by suddenly and completely destroying the East Wing; (iii) seek the input and approval of, and not ignore, the National Trust for Historic Preservation which has said a new ballroom is needed; and (iv) would file the correct building plans and environmental assessments and required by law. .
            This reads like a defense of Trump’s approach.

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            • Originally posted by YOhio View Post

              This reads like a defense of Trump’s approach.
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              • Originally posted by LVAllen View Post

                I mean... we're coming up on the 250th anniversary party of using violence to achieve political goals.... "That whenever any Form of Government becomes destructive of these ends, it is the Right of the People to alter or to abolish it, and to institute new Government.." and when the old Government resists, there will assuredly be violence.

                I'm not saying violence is justified at this point. But if the right of the people to alter their government is effectively eliminated through hijinks and shenanigans, and the government still persists in being destructive in the securing of life, liberty, and the pursuit of happiness, violence is all but assured. It is only through the American public's confidence in their ability to change their government that violence is avoided.
                Wow..

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