President Trump: Making America Great Again...

[myboynoah]

If that would have happened there is no way Trump gets re elected.

Maybe Pence should’ve taken one for the team.

Pence, always on the wrong side of the decision tree.

[falafel]

Oh boy. I feel like I am taking crazy pills.

The statement that started this discussion was:



If you can name a few people who would not stop him, congratulations. But that is NOT equivalent to the statement in question essentially stating that NOBODY would likely stop him.

Let's extend this paranoid world view a little further, shall we?

"Trump is going to cancel the entire constitution and I am not sure anyone is going to stop him".

"Trump is going to start carrying a gun and shooting people he doesn't like and I am not sure anyone is going to stop him."

"Trump is going to send all LGBT people to the gas chamber and I am not sure anyone is going to stop him."

"Trump is going to execute all democratic politicians and I am not sure anyone is going to stop him."

Do you see how crazy that sounds? If any of you seriously think that nobody would try to stop him if he attempted to cancel elections - the bedrock of democracy - you have allowed politics to erode your capacity for rational thought.

And by the way, Moliere mentioned the federal reserve example. Jeanine Pirro (a shameless Trump toady) did announce last week that the that DOJ was opening a criminal investigation into Jerome Powell, thus attempting to politicize the federal reserve - a dangerous precedent that would destroy faith in American financial institutions. The blowback from both democrats and republicans was swift, forcing Pirro to walk it back and essentially say "just kidding". Trump pretended it wasn't his idea (I am sure it was) and he let her hang out to dry.

https://www.cnn.com/2026/01/13/polit...on-frustration

Reductio ad absurdum.

"Trump is going to send the military into U.S. cities and I'm not sure anyone is going to stop him."

Oops.

[falafel]

Framing it as a coup attempt is just as big a stretch as framing it as hapless patriotic tourists. There was no mechanism or path to overthrow the government. It was a bunch of dopes, ranging from bad actors to the curious who took being pissed off too far. Yes, some probably would have punched out some lawmakers had they been given the chance. That's not the same as it being a coup.

Hyperbole

What, if anything, do you think were the J6 mob's intentions (just those that broke into the Capitol)? What were they trying to do, even if it was not possible?

[Jeff Lebowski]

Reductio ad absurdum.

"Trump is going to send the military into U.S. cities and I'm not sure anyone is going to stop him."

Oops.

"Oops" what?

My point is that just because some bad things have happened doesn't mean that every possible bad thing is likely to happen. Showing that a particular bad thing has happened does not invalidate my point at all.

You might want to google "Reductio ad absurdum".

[chrisrenrut]

Irony ruling? And Grok confined that is is true.

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[Jeff Lebowski]

Irony ruling? And Grok confined that is is true.

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That’s amazing

[falafel]

"Oops" what?

My point is that just because some bad things have happened doesn't mean that every possible bad thing is likely to happen. Showing that a particular bad thing has happened does not invalidate my point at all.

You might want to google "Reductio ad absurdum".

Dude, that's a point that is so obvious it does not need making. And I am well aware of what the term that I used means (I have googled it before! Maybe you should google it). I think you are making light of things without basis. Reducing every concern to a ridiculous one does not help and it discounts concerns that were correct and have come to pass. I have been watching you and others make light of frank's (for example) for 10 years, and yet frank has been right more than almost anyone else on this board (way more than his foils shaka and dabrockster), and people STILL give him shit for raising the warning flag.

Things are bad and getting worse, and some people are keen to keep pointing out that "it could be worse!" At some point, I would hope that we would take the "things could be worse" comment regarding Trump and realize that things will very likely get worse before they get better. What better evidence could there be than Trump's letter to the Norway PM? You yourself noted that we have a child as a President, but then push back against concerns that we have a child at the helm? I can't think of a bigger "Oh Brother" than that.

[falafel]

That’s amazing

what is? the tweet or the comment by Trump?

[Jeff Lebowski]

Dude, that's a point that is so obvious it does not need making. And I am well aware of what the term that I used means (I have googled it before! Maybe you should google it). I think you are making light of things without basis. Reducing every concern to a ridiculous one does not help and it discounts concerns that were correct and have come to pass. I have been watching you and others make light of frank's (for example) for 10 years, and yet frank has been right more than almost anyone else on this board (way more than his foils shaka and dabrockster), and people STILL give him shit for raising the warning flag.

Things are bad and getting worse, and some people are keen to keep pointing out that "it could be worse!" At some point, I would hope that we would take the "things could be worse" comment regarding Trump and realize that things will very likely get worse before they get better. What better evidence could there be than Trump's letter to the Norway PM? You yourself noted that we have a child as a President, but then push back against concerns that we have a child at the helm? I can't think of a bigger "Oh Brother" than that.

Yeah, none of that invalidates the simple point I was making.

You have this odd habit of resurrecting arguments after everyone else has pretty much moved on. I can't muster the energy to debate it further. Sorry.

[Shaka]

What, if anything, do you think were the J6 mob's intentions (just those that broke into the Capitol)? What were they trying to do, even if it was not possible?

What do you not understand about, "pissed off".

[Shaka]

frank has been right more than almost anyone else on this board (way more than his foils shaka and dabrockster), and people STILL give him shit for raising the warning flag.

Is it a party foul to roll eyes and die laughing in a reply? I'll do it anyway.

[PaloAltoCougar]

I'll step in both with tardiness and obviousness, but of course 1/6 wasn't a coup attempt, since the rioting numbskulls were trying to preserve the existing power structure, not replace it. But following their master's instructions during the weeks leading up to 1/6, which he repeated many times during his petulant rant on the mall, they "fought like hell" to prevent the lawful transfer of power. What other objective could they have nad? They could have plunged the nation into a constitutional crisis by stopping certification but that would have been resolved eventually with Trump's removal. So the attempt was doomed from the start, but it was very definitely an attempt, not just a bunch of witless jamokes walking around pissed off.

[falafel]

Yeah, none of that invalidates the simple point I was making.

You have this odd habit of resurrecting arguments after everyone else has pretty much moved on. I can't muster the energy to debate it further. Sorry.

That's okay. I don't spend ALL my time on this board, but I do like to respond to issues (even a day later!) that I wasn't present for. I wish I could bow out due to lack of energy, but apparently I have sufficient for my needs.

[falafel]

What do you not understand about, "pissed off".

You never mentioned the words "pissed off" in the post I was quoting, so I have no idea what you are talking about. What do you have against answering a direct question?

[falafel]

Is it a party foul to roll eyes and die laughing in a reply? I'll do it anyway.

It isn't a party foul, but it is kind of childish. I can't remember, how old are you again?