President Trump: Making America Great Again...

[myboynoah]

As Shaka has stated multiple times in this thread, the State Department has sole discretion over issuance and revocation of visas.

True. My concern is that (with most of what Trump is doing) the action is immediate and with a docile Congress, the only recourse is to go to the courts to challenge these actions. That can take time.

The Trump team is taking unprecedented actions using legal justifications that have never been used, primarily because we saw those as either extralegal or using the law not as it was intended. This type of "loophole" governing is dangerous IMO. Use of the Alien Enemies Act to deport untried non-citizens to a foreign prison is a good example of this. It's appalling and goes against our norms of jurisprudence. Do we really want to break down those norms?

[Northwestcoug]

Do we really want to break down those norms?

We've elected Trump twice. I think the nation clearly wants nothing to do with what used to be normal.

They want this performative bullshit:

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[myboynoah]

We've elected Trump twice. I think the nation clearly wants nothing to do with what used to be normal.

They want this performative bullshit:

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[Jeff Lebowski]

For fuck's safe Jeff, I don't know how you distorted my words to come up with that. My post was well-intentioned.

That is a reach and a half. But I don't think espousing shitty racist views should be illegal or otherwise we'd have to lock up some right wing luminaries, including some of Trump's inner circle

You can understand that people can want to advocate for Palestinian statehood or against some Israeli's actions without supporting Hamas' murderous' rampage?

We are talking about Hamas. I don't think we should equivocate when it comes to an organization engaged in kidnapping, rape, and murder of civilians, including children.

[frank ryan]

As Shaka has stated multiple times in this thread, the State Department has sole discretion over issuance and revocation of visas.

Yes, I think we are all aware. That hardly settles concerns.

It doesn't speak to this being an alarming event. Has the state department regularly gone after protesters who advocated for abhorrent or controversial positions? And once the revoke the VISA has the non-criminal, legally present individual whisked away by secret police?


Trump discussed wanting this to happen. He made it happen. It's not state department business as usual.

This is intended to having a chilling effect on speech. That should provoke concern from any American.

[frank ryan]

We are talking about Hamas. I don't think we should equivocate when it comes to an organization engaged in kidnapping, rape, and murder of civilians, including children.

I don't either. I think you genuinely aren't understanding what I've posted - like at all.

[Maximus]

IMO, coming to the U.S. and supporting/advocating for/favoring Hamas after the group's horrific actions in Southern Israel. Just stupid.

the individual in question didnt. JL just assumed theres some connection in the story and there isnt.

[Shaka]

the individual in question didnt.

You don't know that. You're basing this on only the Op Ed being evidence. You have no idea what an investigation dug up.

[Maximus]

You don't know that. You're basing this on only the Op Ed being evidence. You have no idea what an investigation dug up.

do you believe the admin when they said all the people sent to el salvador were gang members despite them providing no evidence?

[Shaka]

do you believe the admin when they said all the people sent to el salvador were gang members despite them providing no evidence?

This is what you come up with when you can't defend your statement?

[frank ryan]

Gov. Puppy Killer

[Maximus]

This is what you come up with when you can't defend your statement?

Bro you're saying we dont now they could be a hamas supporter ? that isnt an argument. anyone could be a hamas supporter. its on the accuser or defenders of detainment to show why

[Moliere]

I think you can be sympathetic to Hamas' cause without endorsing them. Supporting their cause, but not their actions is possible. It was common to be sympathetic to Irish nationalism but abhor the antics of the IRA. In fact, that ultimately led to the Good Friday Agreement.

I sure hope you can be because otherwise you profiting a belief. If you aren't providing active, orginizational or material support, I don't think that makes you a terrorist.

That makes it impossible to encourage moderates.

Hamas’ cause is the complete elimination of Israel. I don’t think you can sympathetic to that cause and not be a horrible, anti-Semitic person

[Maximus]

Hamas’ cause is the complete elimination of Israel. I don’t think you can sympathetic to that cause and not be a horrible, anti-Semitic person

Jl is equating supporting Palestinians at all with supporting hamas

[Moliere]

Jl is equating supporting Palestinians at all with supporting hamas

I was responding to frank