2016 Presidential Predictions

[Northwestcoug]

Is it? I'm too much of a dumb white person to even know what you mean by that.

Although, to be clear, even though I am dumb and white, I did NOT vote for Trump, who I find unacceptable. But I grew up with poor white people. I grew up with copper miners and farmers and other blue collar workers. I was the first person in my family to go to college and one of the few to graduate from high school without needing a GED. I know these people and they are not well-educated in a traditional sense, but they are not stupid. They have values and those values matter to them. They act on conscience and they most often do the right thing. I resent that so many here and in the press are today claiming Trump is elected because these people are pure bigots and idiots. They are not. They are good people and they ARE America and they have spoken. I have no doubt that most of them voted as they did in spite of Trump and his failings as opposed to becasue of him. We should not impute his characteristics to the voters who support him. They are only hoping for something better, not endorsing him as a person, at least not anymore than they endorsed any of the other very flawed persons that have been elected to public offices over the years.

Creek, my whole point is that you interjected the 'dumb white people' into the argument, when I said nothing of the sort. Although I think a vote for Trump is in general based on fear, and I think those that voted for him are misguided, I am not questioning their intelligence.

I am having the same argument with my daughter right now. She can't believe half of America voted for Trump. I can't either . But I keep telling her that most people are inherently good, even those that make moral judgments diametrically opposed to ours. The rust-belt voters who voted for Trump made an overall judgment call on Trump, which was based on their life experiences, and we shouldn't automatically expect someone to vote similarly to us if they don't share our experiences. I can respect the reasons why someone voted for him, and still feel that in general it is based on ignorance of what I feel are far more important issues. And a Trump supporter is free to do the same with me.

[Walter Sobchak]

It seems like there should be a bigger chance than usual of the incumbent in 2020 getting beaten than in other elections.

Stop. As other people have noted, you (apparently) are really good at jinx'ing these things.

Mark Cuban in 2020.

[creekster]

This is from NPR

Meanwhile, college-educated whites appear to have preferred Trump slightly, according to current exit poll figures (which, once again, could still shift some). That would mean Trump moderately underperformed Romney, who won this group by 14 points, according to the data from Pew.

However, that would still essentially be a win for Trump, considering that at one point, it looked like Trump might be the first Republican in decades to lose white, college-educated Americans.

http://www.npr.org/2016/11/09/501378673/how-trump-won-according-to-the-exit-polls

[creekster]

Creek, my whole point is that you interjected the 'dumb white people' into the argument, when I said nothing of the sort. Although I think a vote for Trump is in general based on fear, and I think those that voted for him are misguided, I am not questioning their intelligence.

I am having the same argument with my daughter right now. She can't believe half of America voted for Trump. I can't either . But I keep telling her that most people are inherently good, even those that make moral judgments diametrically opposed to ours. The rust-belt voters who voted for Trump made an overall judgment call on Trump, which was based on their life experiences, and we shouldn't automatically expect someone to vote similarly to us if they don't share our experiences. I can respect the reasons why someone voted for him, and still feel that in general it is based on ignorance of what I feel are far more important issues. And a Trump supporter is free to do the same with me.

That sounds fair.

[Shaka]

So your counter evidence is personal anecdotes? Ha.

The pundits talked about this last night.

I can use more personal anecdotes. I work in a factory. We employ a grunt load of unskilled production workers starting at $12.80 an hour. We also have every other type of employee from engineers to paper pushers like me. It wasn't just the production workers (who from what I can tell were split pretty evenly) who voted for Trump. There were plenty of the white collar folks in both both in our SLC facility and corporate in Palo Alto who are open about their politics who were Trump supporters. Just as many were advocating for Hillary. However, there were also many who lamented the choices but wouldn't actually take a side publicly. These are the voting ninjas to which I refer. I would bet most of these broke for Trump.

[fusnik]

Here's what we know:

Obama super popular
Lawmakers unpopular
Exit polls said Americans wanted change

We made no change except at POTUS

And that man was the guy who tried to delegitimize the first AA president.

[Shaka]

lol you're not this dumb

No but I'm close

[byu71]

No but I'm close

I know you well enough to know you aren't dumb enough to make stuff up and get caught doing it.

[Color Me Badd Fan]

Stop. As other people have noted, you (apparently) are really good at jinx'ing these things.

Mark Cuban in 2020.

I have my methods of getting what I want.

"I'm George, I'm unemployed and I live with my parents."

[old_gregg]

I know you well enough to know you aren't dumb enough to make stuff up and get caught doing it.

i'm still confused about what this means

[HuskyFreeNorthwest]

The democrats have a huge elitism problem. It blinds them from the truth. Which is Trump didn't draw people because their inner racist came out. He drew people because they want to give a middle finger to both parties in washington and are willing to overlook the dumb horseshit that he's said over the year.

[fusnik]

One thing I think I can agree with poor white america is that the dems have forgotten them for the Caitlyn Jenners and Reza Aslans and SJWs of the world.

I hope this ushers in more Corey Bookers and less Elizabeth Warrens.

[Jeff Lebowski]

The democrats have a huge elitism problem. It blinds them from the truth. Which is Trump didn't draw people because their inner racist came out. He drew people because they want to give a middle finger to both parties in washington and are willing to overlook the dumb horseshit that he's said over the year.

False dichotomy. It can be both.

[Jeff Lebowski]

One thing I think I can agree with poor white america is that the dems have forgotten them for the Caitlyn Jenners and Reza Aslans and SJWs of the world.

I hope this ushers in more Corey Bookers and less Elizabeth Warrens.

Amen to that.

[Topper]

One thing I think I can agree with poor white america is that the dems have forgotten them for the Caitlyn Jenners and Reza Aslans and SJWs of the world.

I hope this ushers in more Corey Bookers and less Elizabeth Warrens.

Agreed.