The 2020 Presidential Election Primary Thread

[BlueK]

Yep... Of course ND, MO, MI and even WA besides ID all went to Bernie four years ago. Biden should get MS though. (WTF Utah? Bernie in 2016?)

LOL@WA and SU... There must be a bunch of crazy Berners in the NW. He should move to Texas.

Bernie was trounced yesterday. Lost everywhere except ND, mostly in blowout fashion.

so unfair! If it weren't for superdelegates he'd be president by now.

[Uncle Ted]

Bunch of crazies in Idaho, that could go for Bernie like it did 4 years ago.

Yep... Of course ND, MO, MI and even WA besides ID all went to Bernie four years ago. Biden should get MS though. (WTF Utah? Bernie in 2016?)

LOL@WA and SU... There must be a bunch of crazy Berners in the NW. He should move to Texas.

[Uncle Ted]

The Death Star at work.

Fact check: Trump and his campaign promote dishonestly edited Biden video

LOL... Biden is a gaffe machine. Of course, if he is indeed suffering from a mental problem I hope his family would step in:

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Dementia is a sad thing. My wife's grandmother had it.

[BigPiney]

Voting today in ID, MI, MS, MO, WA, ND

I have seen a poll released for each of these so far except ND. Biden is ahead in all of them, in most cases by a lot.

https://www.realclearpolitics.com/epolls/latest_polls/

Bunch of crazies in Idaho, that could go for Bernie like it did 4 years ago.

[BlueK]

Voting today in ID, MI, MS, MO, WA, ND

I have seen a poll released for each of these so far except ND. Biden is ahead in all of them, in most cases by a lot.

https://www.realclearpolitics.com/epolls/latest_polls/

[myboynoah]

The Death Star at work.

Fact check: Trump and his campaign promote dishonestly edited Biden video

[frank ryan]

Yes, dentist in my ward did a couple of years in American Samoa and now is at the Indian health clinic in my community. He is getting paid and having his loans forgiven at the same time. Like Northern Exposure.

Trump has proposed eliminating such programs. It won't happen because because the democrats hold the house.

[wuapinmon]

I may be wrong - but don't a lot of those rural/isolated communities have incentives to attract medical professionals that includes paying off their student loans over time if they'll make a commitment to practice in that community for a set amount of time? Maybe not EVERY community in need has this - but I remember being at a Social Services Appropriations Subcommittee Meeting here in Utah where they talked about several communities that had applied for federal and state money to do this - and they actually had more money available than what was being used at the time, but were renewing and expanding the program still.

Yes, but there are places in big cities where you can't get a doctor to go, and many who used to, won't accept Medicaid/Medicare anymore because the reimbursement rates aren't high enough. Also, I like family doctors, but they are a dying breed, and free med school for that field would see a return of people being able to see a doctor, and would likely save lives. I like nurse practitioners, but, they ain't physicians, and you realize the difference between a good NP and a bad one only when a physician conscientiously takes a look at their charts, instead of a perfunctory audit. Since that seems incredibly easy to phone in, I'd prefer to see a physician.

You also have to account for the fact that under Bernie's plan, current tax revenue from the health sector would be drastically reduced if not completely eliminated. He would wipe out the health insurance industry all together. And the "for profit" model of providing health services would likely go away quickly as well. I don't know how much of an impact that would have on tax revenue (let alone the economy as a whole), but it would have to be made up for somehow ... likely with even higher tax rates than Bernie is suggesting.

I hadn't thought of lost tax revenue. A half-assed internet search of tax revenue from the health sector is full of people bitching about the new 21% tax rate as unfair. Seriously. Already the slash isn't enough, they want a lower rate.

[UVACoug]

Not a Sanders supporter at all. But, I find it disingenuous when people throw these numbers around as "new spending" when talking about healthcare. We're already spending that now on healthcare.



So. if we figure that the current non-governmental expenditures would come into the federal coffers instead of private industry, and we factor in the buyouts of private insurance companies necessary for Bernie's system, then the $3 trillion seems to be only $1 trillion in increases over the current spending (that number is troubling in and of itself, but it's not $3 trillion in "new" spending). Taking insurance premiums and calling them taxes and expenditures of taxes, is disingenuous.

You also have to account for the fact that under Bernie's plan, current tax revenue from the health sector would be drastically reduced if not completely eliminated. He would wipe out the health insurance industry all together. And the "for profit" model of providing health services would likely go away quickly as well. I don't know how much of an impact that would have on tax revenue (let alone the economy as a whole), but it would have to be made up for somehow ... likely with even higher tax rates than Bernie is suggesting.

[falafel]

Yeah, what was that last guy's name anyway?

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Omair? Omeed? Osama?... Someone throw Biden a bone and help him out!

Uh, I don't think that's what happened.

[Lost Student]

Yeah, what was that last guy's name anyway?

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Omair? Omeed? Osama?... Someone throw Biden a bone and help him out!

So funny that this is the guy to beat Trump! Go Joe!

[Uncle Ted]

Yeah, what was that last guy's name anyway?

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Omair? Omeed? Osama?... Someone throw Biden a bone and help him out!

[wuapinmon]

Yes, dentist in my ward did a couple of years in American Samoa and now is at the Indian health clinic in my community. He is getting paid and having his loans forgiven at the same time. Like Northern Exposure.

Will they? Won't they?

[BigPiney]

I may be wrong - but don't a lot of those rural/isolated communities have incentives to attract medical professionals that includes paying off their student loans over time if they'll make a commitment to practice in that community for a set amount of time? Maybe not EVERY community in need has this - but I remember being at a Social Services Appropriations Subcommittee Meeting here in Utah where they talked about several communities that had applied for federal and state money to do this - and they actually had more money available than what was being used at the time, but were renewing and expanding the program still.

Yes, dentist in my ward did a couple of years in American Samoa and now is at the Indian health clinic in my community. He is getting paid and having his loans forgiven at the same time. Like Northern Exposure.

[Eddie]

I may be wrong - but don't a lot of those rural/isolated communities have incentives to attract medical professionals that includes paying off their student loans over time if they'll make a commitment to practice in that community for a set amount of time? Maybe not EVERY community in need has this - but I remember being at a Social Services Appropriations Subcommittee Meeting here in Utah where they talked about several communities that had applied for federal and state money to do this - and they actually had more money available than what was being used at the time, but were renewing and expanding the program still.