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  • LA Ute
    Receiver of Memory
    • Nov 2008
    • 19512

    #1

    LGBT education in public schools

    This unsigned LA Times editorial (in today's paper) makes me think that perhaps the debate can become more rational than it has been. Key paragraphs:
    In attempting to discourage taunting of gay students, the Alameda Unified School District turned what should be a basic lesson on treating others kindly into a primer on sexual identity. Its new anti-bullying curriculum for kindergartners through fifth-graders will begin in the fall and focus solely on gay and lesbian issues — as if harassment based on race, religion or failure to wear cool clothes were nonexistent. Parents who might object cannot opt their children out of it. It’s a heavy-handed approach to take with students at a tender age.

    . . .

    [The district] went too far in adopting a curriculum that introduces topics involving sexuality at an age when most children are ill-equipped to consider them. The new curriculum familiarizes second-graders with the concept of same-sex couples and teaches fourth-graders the words “gay” and “lesbian.” A year later, it calls on the teacher to write the acronym LGBT on the board and ask students the meaning of each letter (it stands for lesbian, gay, bisexual and transgender, the four main forms of alternative sexual identity).

    The district is using a facts-of-life curriculum to impart a Golden Rule lesson: Treat others as you want to be treated. Mean behavior is not OK. This is best taught by creating a school culture that values and rewards kindness and that doesn’t hesitate to discipline bullying.

    The Times consistently tilts left in its editorials, so this view -- which is eminently sensible and compassionate -- just might get some traction now. I think (hope) that will help foster a more civil discussion. When schoolso do what Alameda is doing here, it scares parents and makes it very hard to trust the motives of those who argue for further recognition of gay rights.
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  • doctorcoug
    To Win is to Honor Him
    • Jun 2009
    • 2273

    #2
    I think kindergarten is young, but I do think we need to have sex-ed in school (including gay-ed). I live in a county that has one of the highest teenage pregnancy rates in the state. The only sex-ed allowed in the class is from a physician (aka, the residents). Less than 10 miles away in a different county with different policies, it is the exact opposite.

    Parents should have the right to opt-out of this stuff, however.
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    "So where does the power come from to see the race to its end...from within"

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    • RobinFinderson
      Banned
      • Nov 2008
      • 10548

      #3
      My son is in the fourth grade. He is ten. I also do a LOT of volunteer work at his school, primarily with fourth and fifth graders. I'm not a professional when it comes to teaching kids in this age range, but I have a lot of experience working with them, and I offer this background simply to suggest that I have my finger on the pulse of kids this age, and the lives and interactions of many kids in this age group, and how they tend to interact in the classroom and on the playground.

      Anyhow, the curriculum, as it is described in the editorial, is fair and reasonable as it pertains to LGBT issues, but should also be expanded to include issues dealing with race, religion, etc. The reason it may not consider these other areas might be because anti-bullying education is a major part of school curriculum already, from kinders and beyond, and already focuses on issues of race, gender and religion. The curriculum focusing on LGBT issues may happen later in the children's education precisely to reflect more conservative values where some parents may not want their children to be aware of LGBT ideas too early.

      I don't think there should be any question about the appropriateness of teaching children not to bully in general, and the only real question about teaching about bullying regarding LGBT issues should pertain to when it is appropriate, and not if it is appropriate. Watching the kids, by fifth grade a good number of the children are already hitting puberty and dealing with all that goes along with that. I don't see the names of cute boys scrawled in the prettiest cursive filling pages of notebooks for fourth graders, but I do in the fifth grade class. With third and fourth graders, on the playground, it is still too common to hear homophobic taunts. The words fag, faggot, homo and gay (used as a taunt) are still part of many of these children's common vocabulary, and an indication that we are dealing with the important job of unteaching bigotry that is being passed on in the homes.

      Anyhow, this is important, and the age range seems about right. If we can stigamtize the words 'fag' 'homo' and 'faggot' as hate words the same way we have done with the word 'nigger,' I think that will be a step in the right direction. Third, fourth an fifth grade seems like a decent time to start.

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      • JohnnyLingo
        La Naranja
        • Nov 2008
        • 3976

        #4
        The words fag, faggot, homo and gay (used as a taunt) are still part of many of these children's common vocabulary, and an indication that we are dealing with the important job of unteaching bigotry that is being passed on in the homes.
        I used those words at that age and had no idea what they meant. And I certainly didn't get them from my parents.

        I just think you're painting with a wide brush, there.

        And as far as your goal to eradicate words from the English language... fight on, good sir, in your noble effort to erase hate by removing words. I don't think it works, but more power to you.

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        • doctorcoug
          To Win is to Honor Him
          • Jun 2009
          • 2273

          #5
          Bravo, Robin
          "Don't expect I'll see you 'till after the race"

          "So where does the power come from to see the race to its end...from within"

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          • RobinFinderson
            Banned
            • Nov 2008
            • 10548

            #6
            Originally posted by JohnnyLingo View Post
            I used those words at that age and had no idea what they meant. And I certainly didn't get them from my parents.

            I just think you're painting with a wide brush, there.

            And as far as your goal to eradicate words from the English language... fight on, good sir, in your noble effort to erase hate by removing words. I don't think it works, but more power to you.
            Do you use the word 'nigger?' Can we do to those other hate words what was done to the once commonly used word 'nigger?'

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            • SoCalCoug
              Ragnar Lodbrok Descendant
              • Nov 2008
              • 5214

              #7
              We may have our own gay education going on in a couple weeks. We're having a family reunion, and I hear my brother may be bringing his gay partner to a family function for the first time.

              That should be fun. We've got a lodge reserved for the family - I wonder if my parents are going to let them share a room - my other engaged brother and his fiancee, of course, are not. Maybe they'll just put them in a room that has two beds and hope there's no funny noises coming out of there.
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              • JohnnyLingo
                La Naranja
                • Nov 2008
                • 3976

                #8
                Originally posted by RobinFinderson View Post
                Do you use the word 'nigger?' Can we do to those other hate words what was done to the once commonly used word 'nigger?'
                Nope. But attaching a social stigma to the word doesn't mean there aren't any people racist against blacks. It just means they hide better.

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                • The_Tick
                  Made something of myself
                  • Nov 2008
                  • 7281

                  #9
                  I think it is BS people can't opt out.

                  My kid would be sick that week. We take care of this stuff at home.

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                  • RobinFinderson
                    Banned
                    • Nov 2008
                    • 10548

                    #10
                    Originally posted by The_Tick View Post
                    I think it is BS people can't opt out.

                    My kid would be sick that week. We take care of this stuff at home.
                    How would your home instruction be different than what would be taught at school?

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                    • il Padrino Ute
                      Junior Member
                      • Nov 2008
                      • 19161

                      #11
                      Originally posted by RobinFinderson View Post
                      How would your home instruction be different than what would be taught at school?
                      The difference is that Tick would have a choice if he wanted to teach his children this.
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                      • wuapinmon
                        Soul Plumber
                        • Dec 2008
                        • 30711

                        #12
                        I would definitely not let a stranger teach my children about this, even if it were the teacher. I want my child to hear it from my lips that some people do things that we don't do, but we're not better than them and we should never be mean to them because of who they are, even standing up for them if someone else does.
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                        • il Padrino Ute
                          Junior Member
                          • Nov 2008
                          • 19161

                          #13
                          Originally posted by wuapinmon View Post
                          I would definitely not let a stranger teach my children about this, even if it were the teacher. I want my child to hear it from my lips that some people do things that we don't do, but we're not better than them and we should never be mean to them because of who they are, even standing up for them if someone else does.
                          Agreed 100%.
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                          "I only know what I hear on the news." - Dear Leader

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                          • LA Ute
                            Receiver of Memory
                            • Nov 2008
                            • 19512

                            #14
                            Originally posted by wuapinmon View Post
                            I would definitely not let a stranger teach my children about this, even if it were the teacher. I want my child to hear it from my lips that some people do things that we don't do, but we're not better than them and we should never be mean to them because of who they are, even standing up for them if someone else does.
                            Exactly right.
                            “There is a great deal of difference in believing something still, and believing it again.”
                            ― W.H. Auden


                            "God made the angels to show His splendour - as He made animals for innocence and plants for their simplicity. But men and women He made to serve Him wittily, in the tangle of their minds."
                            -- Robert Bolt, A Man for All Seasons


                            "It is only with the heart that one can see rightly; what is essential is invisible to the eye."
                            --Antoine de Saint-Exupery

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                            • RobinFinderson
                              Banned
                              • Nov 2008
                              • 10548

                              #15
                              Originally posted by wuapinmon View Post
                              I would definitely not let a stranger teach my children about this, even if it were the teacher. I want my child to hear it from my lips that some people do things that we don't do, but we're not better than them and we should never be mean to them because of who they are, even standing up for them if someone else does.
                              I don't think they explain what people 'do.' This is an anti-bullying campaign. Not a sex ed class. The content is going to be about what kinds of things constitute 'bullying.'

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