The hunt for Dylann Roof

[Color Me Badd Fan]

It appears as if the College of Charleston was his original target. Surprisingly this guy had black friends and one of them in particular www pretty close to him.

From the sound of it, this guy would have committed suicide had he been confronted by armed officers while the massacre was happening. He sounds more like the Columbine kids than Adam Lanza.

[HuskyFreeNorthwest]

He sounds more like the Columbine kids than Adam Lanza.

Sweet, so he can be a celeb like those shooters. Doubtful there will be another copycat loser seeking 15 minutes like the ones you mentioned, VT shooter, batman shooter, Kip Kinkle and more.

[old_gregg]

i wonder which of ipu's posts the media will air when he snaps and shoots a bunch of people.

http://www.nytimes.com/2015/06/21/us...ting.html?_r=0

[Color Me Badd Fan]

Sweet, so he can be a celeb like those shooters. Doubtful there will be another copycat loser seeking 15 minutes like the ones you mentioned, VT shooter, batman shooter, Kip Kinkle and more.

The Batman shooter, Adam Lanza and the kid that shot the congresswoman were totally crazy.

This kid fits the profile of the VT shooter, the guy that killed all those people at UC Santa Barbara and Columbine. He's an Omega male with a heavy dose of bi polar depression and narcissism. These guys are total losers and they place the blame on some group they think is holding them back and they lash out.

[Solon]

The implicit suggestion that the 'assault' on Mormonism by teh gays is related to the shootings in Charleston is one of the more offensive things I've read lately.

It's a stretch, to be sure.

Yikes. This kid didn't kill those people because they're Christians. He killed them because they had dark skin. The editorial gauged as much when it tried to equate things like ISIS killing Shiites to traditionally black churches & the Civil Rights movement, but it falls flat in identifying the rise of secularism as the threat. Wouldn't secularism solve ISIS-like religious violence?

If anything, the line of reasoning in this op-Ed should call for stricter bans of firearms in places of worship.

[All-American]

If anything, the line of reasoning in this op-Ed should call for stricter bans of firearms in places of worship.

I truly love this line of reasoning. No doubt, this nut job would have have abstained from slaughtering innocents if only someone would have let him know that guns weren't allowed in the church.

[Solon]

I truly love this line of reasoning. No doubt, this nut job would have have abstained from slaughtering innocents if only someone would have let him know that guns weren't allowed in the church.

I agree that it is inane to think so, which is why I went to it.
It makes more sense with the op-ed's "end violence in religious contexts" theme than its dig at secularization.

One idea is impractical. The other is puzzling.

[cowboy]

Dylann Roof appeared in court today and the victims families got a chance to speak to him. One by one they told him that they forgive him. That's incredible.

The judge also asked everyone to be considerate of his family. They are victims too.

http://www.cnn.com/2015/06/19/us/cha...ain/index.html

These people have set the standard for living their religion in one of the most difficult circumstances imaginable. I've been in a lot of rough neighborhoods, but North Charleston is as rough as they come. Despite that, I never once felt endangered as a missionary there because black folks in the South have a deep respect for preachers. As soon as we identified ourselves as preachers, even the most gangsta thug would back off at the least, and more than once tell us that they had our back. In that context, I guess these families' reactions don't surprise me. Still, they've exemplified Christian living, and I wish the media focused on them more than him.

EDIT: I didn't state this very well, but my point was that there is a deep spiritual thread in black culture in the South, and that it is so deep that it even extends to criminals who are otherwise very hard people. I didn't mean to insinuate that all people in NC or at that church were thugs.

It's a stretch, to be sure.

Yikes. This kid didn't kill those people because they're Christians. He killed them because they had dark skin. The editorial gauged as much when it tried to equate things like ISIS killing Shiites to traditionally black churches & the Civil Rights movement, but it falls flat in identifying the rise of secularism as the threat. Wouldn't secularism solve ISIS-like religious violence?

If anything, the line of reasoning in this op-Ed should call for stricter bans of firearms in places of worship.

I haven't followed this particularly closely, but is this true? If his other target was the College of Charleston, I don't know that race was as much of an issue as just wanting to go on a shooting spree. Again, I could be wrong, so feel free to correct me if his journal/etc. indicated otherwise.

I'm sure this will prompt calls for stricter gun laws/more gun-free zones, and since the vast majority of mass shooters have been young males on anti-depressants, I think there is probable cause for screening people in these circumstances before allowing them access to firearms. Unfortunately, the way government works, they will go way overboard with whatever law they pass. Making more gun-free zones is a joke, since the vast majority of mass shootings have occurred in gun-free zones.

This would never pass, but I think the legislation that would actually make a difference is a prohibition on publicly stating the identity or any personal details of the shooter. These people are seeking notoriety, and if that is taken away, then so is much of their motive. I don't think it would solve the problem completely (and it isn't my idea, btw) but I think it would help more than any other legislation.

[Color Me Badd Fan]

These people have set the standard for living their religion in one of the most difficult circumstances imaginable. I've been in a lot of rough neighborhoods, but North Charleston is as rough as they come. Despite that, I never once felt endangered as a missionary there because black folks in the South have a deep respect for preachers. As soon as we identified ourselves as preachers, even the most gangsta thug would back off at the least, and more than once tell us that they had our back. In that context, I guess these families' reactions don't surprise me. Still, they've exemplified Christian living, and I wish the media focused on them more than him.

EDIT: I didn't state this very well, but my point was that there is a deep spiritual thread in black culture in the South, and that it is so deep that it even extends to criminals who are otherwise very hard people. I didn't mean to insinuate that all people in NC or at that church were thugs.



I haven't followed this particularly closely, but is this true? If his other target was the College of Charleston, I don't know that race was as much of an issue as just wanting to go on a shooting spree. Again, I could be wrong, so feel free to correct me if his journal/etc. indicated otherwise.

I'm sure this will prompt calls for stricter gun laws/more gun-free zones, and since the vast majority of mass shooters have been young males on anti-depressants, I think there is probable cause for screening people in these circumstances before allowing them access to firearms. Unfortunately, the way government works, they will go way overboard with whatever law they pass. Making more gun-free zones is a joke, since the vast majority of mass shootings have occurred in gun-free zones.

This would never pass, but I think the legislation that would actually make a difference is a prohibition on publicly stating the identity or any personal details of the shooter. These people are seeking notoriety, and if that is taken away, then so is much of their motive. I don't think it would solve the problem completely (and it isn't my idea, btw) but I think it would help more than any other legislation.

This guy had developed a hair trigger and wanted to do something noteworthy. If it wasn't the black church, it was going to be some place like the College.

What this kid did was not exactly a common thing (white guy goes out and targets black people for mass murder) and I don't think it's approriate to draw general conclusions regarding how racist the country is because of what one madman does. I posted previously that this kid seemed to be quite similar to a number of other mass shooters. I think you can also expand that to men who commit murder-suicides when they kill their wives and children and then turn the guns on themselves.

We're actually talking about something that happens more frequently when you include these kinds of tragedies which I think actually involve some similar mental pathologies to the VT Shooter type incident. So, I think it is certainly appropriate and important to inquire whether there would be any kind of law that would prevent these kind of men from legally getting their hands on firearms. There needs to be perhaps some loosening of the standards necessary to declare someone mentally ill at least to for the purposes of restricting gun ownership from them.

[Commando]

The Batman shooter, Adam Lanza and the kid that shot the congresswoman were totally crazy.

This kid fits the profile of the VT shooter, the guy that killed all those people at UC Santa Barbara and Columbine. He's an Omega male with a heavy dose of bi polar depression and narcissism. These guys are total losers and they place the blame on some group they think is holding them back and they lash out.