Originally posted by byu71
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Any insights into the recent string of race flare ups?
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Nobody has answers because politicians/government cannot fix the problems and that is not a line likely to get anyone elected.Do Your Damnedest In An Ostentatious Manner All The Time!
-General George S. Patton
I'm choosing to mostly ignore your fatuity here and instead overwhelm you with so much data that you'll maybe, just maybe, realize that you have reams to read on this subject before you can contribute meaningfully to any conversation on this topic.
-DOCTOR Wuap
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Whatever the fix is, it would probably involve something that would cause some real sacrifice on the part of those being helped. That certainly seems unfair.Originally posted by Goatnapper'96 View PostNobody has answers because politicians/government cannot fix the problems and that is not a line likely to get anyone elected.
As you said, the way to get elected is to promise you have the answer and it is an easy answer.
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Here are two recent reaction to this same video:
Is it bad that I laughed??? Lol!!!!
- LMAOO THAT'S WHAT HE GET! HE WAS ABOUT TO DRAG THAT BOY OUT THE CAR BECAUSE HE DIDN'T WANT TO TAKE THE KEYS OUT
- I fell all the way out!!
- Unbelievable. I hope they find him & he has many slip & falls on the way to jail that POS!!
"Wuap's "problem" is that he is smart & principled & committed to a moral course of action. His actions are supposed to reflect his ethical code.
The rest of us rarely bother to think about our actions." --Solon
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- LMAOO THAT'S WHAT HE GET! HE WAS ABOUT TO DRAG THAT BOY OUT THE CAR BECAUSE HE DIDN'T WANT TO TAKE THE KEYS OUT
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Originally posted by byu71 View PostGood points. I have absolutely no clue what it would be like to live in the inner cities and deal with the poverty and lack of opportunity. I also have no clue how it would be to be a policeman in that environment where you are expected to protect the law abiders and yet you are distrusted and hated by many of those same law abiders.
A problem far above my ability to state a solution. Sadly it seems the problem is way above anyone's pay grade. The libs don't have the answers and neither do the conservatives."Wuap's "problem" is that he is smart & principled & committed to a moral course of action. His actions are supposed to reflect his ethical code.
The rest of us rarely bother to think about our actions." --Solon
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Slavery ended 150 years ago. Jim Crow laws were abolished only 50 years ago. Don't think for a moment that just because it has ended legally doesn't mean that white society doesn't still have its boot heel on the neck of Black America. wuap's article is one. Here's another that I think pretty decisively demonstrates that the government has had a strong hand in preventing poor black Americans from access to the capital they need to become home ownership. The HUD has been racist from its beginning and largely still is, thanks to bureaucratic inertia.Originally posted by Color Me Badd Fan View PostDo you honestly believe that blacks are really still restricted from access to capital? I simply don't buy it.
If you look at the segment of the black population that chooses to actually have two parents in the home and get educated their levels of income are fairly comparable to similarly situated whites. For example, married black households have an 8% poverty rate compared to a 6% for all married households. Unfortunately, something like 70% of black children are born into single parent households.
Much more than what happened 300 years ago, the more relevant factor is the emergence of the drug culture from 60s to 80s which coincided with the blacks finally obtaining equal rights. Drugs were bound to inflict more damage on the poorer segments of society, which blacks comprised because of rampant discrimination from before and through the 60s and 70s. Drugs and the related criminal gangs and criminal activity destroyed the black family.
But I just don't buy into this bullshit that everyone is still falling all over themselves to hold back the black population. Honestly, how many people in the upper echelons of society, those with money and making hiring decisions are also toothless, hillbilly racists? The highest amounts paid per pupil are in places like Baltimore and DC, not Orange County.
Are they dealing with the legacy of past discrimination? Of course. But I think that has to be considered with the timing of when they obtained equal rights.
http://www.epi.org/blog/from-ferguso...d-segregation/
There are a lot of clickable phrases in that link. Read them all and then come and tell me that what happened 300 years ago (or 50) isn't relevant.
ps- have you ever thought why the heroin and crack cocaine epidemics have hit the black community so strong? Who introduced those drugs to the USA? When did they do it and why didn't whites suffer the same way?Dio perdona tante cose per un’opera di misericordia
God forgives many things for an act of mercyAlessandro Manzoni
Knock it off. This board has enough problems without a dose of middle-age lechery.
pelagius
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Originally posted by Color Me Badd Fan View PostHonestly, how many people in the upper echelons of society, those with money and making hiring decisions are also toothless, hillbilly racists? .
Impact on Employment: The results of this study indicate that, all other things being equal, race is still an important factor in the American labor market. An African American applicant’s race certainly has negative effects on his employment prospects on average. Resumes with white-sounding names received 50 percent more callbacks than those with black names. But, regional differences are important to note – for example, in Chicago, employers located in black neighborhoods discriminate less against blacks. Based on researchers’ estimates, a white name yielded as many more callbacks as an additional eight years of experience. There were no statistically significant differences in discrimination across the tested occupations, industries, and employers, and the level of discrimination was very similar in both cities. Federal contractors and employers who list "Equal Opportunity Employer" in their ad discriminated as much as other employers.
Some qualities that we might think would level the playing field had minimal effects. For example, there is evidence that the returns to improving credentials for whites are much higher than for blacks. For resumes with white names, higher quality resumes received 30 percent more callbacks than low quality ones. For resumes with black names, the higher quality resumes did not receive significantly more callbacks. Whites living in richer, more educated, or whiter neighborhoods also have higher callback rates, but blacks do not benefit any more than whites from this neighborhood effect."Wuap's "problem" is that he is smart & principled & committed to a moral course of action. His actions are supposed to reflect his ethical code.
The rest of us rarely bother to think about our actions." --Solon
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Terry Gross interviewed Richard Rothstein on NPR today and he addressed/explained many of these issues including the failed (racist) policies of the FHA, GI Bill, etc.Originally posted by pellegrino View PostSlavery ended 150 years ago. Jim Crow laws were abolished only 50 years ago. Don't think for a moment that just because it has ended legally doesn't mean that white society doesn't still have its boot heel on the neck of Black America. wuap's article is one. Here's another that I think pretty decisively demonstrates that the government has had a strong hand in preventing poor black Americans from access to the capital they need to become home ownership. The HUD has been racist from its beginning and largely still is, thanks to bureaucratic inertia.
http://www.epi.org/blog/from-ferguso...d-segregation/
There are a lot of clickable phrases in that link. Read them all and then come and tell me that what happened 300 years ago (or 50) isn't relevant.
ps- have you ever thought why the heroin and crack cocaine epidemics have hit the black community so strong? Who introduced those drugs to the USA? When did they do it and why didn't whites suffer the same way?"You interns are like swallows. You shit all over my patients for six weeks and then fly off."
"Don't be sorry, it's not your fault. It's my fault for overestimating your competence."
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I just got done listening to that interview. Pretty solid, though I wish he would have gotten more specific in what has been happening since the 60s.Originally posted by hostile View PostTerry Gross interviewed Richard Rothstein on NPR today and he addressed/explained many of these issues including the failed (racist) policies of the FHA, GI Bill, etc.Dio perdona tante cose per un’opera di misericordia
God forgives many things for an act of mercyAlessandro Manzoni
Knock it off. This board has enough problems without a dose of middle-age lechery.
pelagius
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Originally posted by Green Monstah View Post
I've never worried whether the way I spoke would kill a job interview;My first thought when reading this section of GM's excellent post was "I've never worried about my name, or even the way it's spelled would ever disqualify me from even being offered an opportunity to interview, regardless of the rest of the resume."Originally posted by wuapinmon View PostI told him he was a goddamn Nazi Stormtrooper.
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What are/were the racist policies of the FHA, GI Bill, etc.?Originally posted by hostile View PostTerry Gross interviewed Richard Rothstein on NPR today and he addressed/explained many of these issues including the failed (racist) policies of the FHA, GI Bill, etc."I think it was King Benjamin who said 'you sorry ass shitbags who have no skills that the market values also have an obligation to have the attitude that if one day you do in fact win the PowerBall Lottery that you will then impart of your substance to those without.'"
- Goatnapper'96
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I have a traditionally black first name.
I have had quite a few funny exchanges with people over the years when I meet them face to face the first time. (After have communicated via email or telephone.)
Usually the first thing that is said..."I thought I was going to be looking for a black dude."
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Has any one ever told you that you don't sound black?Originally posted by The_Tick View PostI have a traditionally black first name.
I have had quite a few funny exchanges with people over the years when I meet them face to face the first time. (After have communicated via email or telephone.)
Usually the first thing that is said..."I thought I was going to be looking for a black dude."
I told him he was a goddamn Nazi Stormtrooper.
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Blacks not allowed the same access to funds for housing/education provided to whites thereby being left out of the rising middle class.Originally posted by Pelado View PostWhat are/were the racist policies of the FHA, GI Bill, etc.?
Blacks kept out of the unions that built the suburbs
FHA/FDIC not insuring home loans for residences in black neighborhoods"You interns are like swallows. You shit all over my patients for six weeks and then fly off."
"Don't be sorry, it's not your fault. It's my fault for overestimating your competence."
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