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  • MartyFunkhouser
    Disciple of RNGesus
    • Nov 2008
    • 18773

    #1261
    Originally posted by falafel View Post

    Actually, it’s conservatives who like the textual approach. Conservatives want to read the plain English of the text in regards to the second amendment, but want to be activists in regards to birthright citizenship.
    Well, except they want the predatory clause of the 2nd Amendment to be 100% ignored.
    As I lead this army, make room for mistakes and depression
    --Kendrick Lamar

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    • MartyFunkhouser
      Disciple of RNGesus
      • Nov 2008
      • 18773

      #1262
      Originally posted by All-American View Post

      And yet four justices disagree.

      You might be able to shrug off one or two dissenters as partisan hacks. But an argument that is able to peel off Justice Gorsuch is one to be taken seriously, even if you don't agree with it (as I don't).
      Thomas vote doesn’t count. He does whatever Trump wants. He used to have principles. He doesn’t anymore.
      As I lead this army, make room for mistakes and depression
      --Kendrick Lamar

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      • BlueK
        Senior Member
        • May 2011
        • 7226

        #1263
        Originally posted by MartyFunkhouser View Post

        Thomas vote doesn’t count. He does whatever Trump wants. He used to have principles. He doesn’t anymore.
        The vote was 6-3. Kavanaugh voted with the majority but said birthright citizenship came from statute but not the Constitution.

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        • falafel
          loves to talk on things
          • Mar 2009
          • 38030

          #1264
          Originally posted by All-American View Post

          And yet four justices disagree.

          You might be able to shrug off one or two dissenters as partisan hacks. But an argument that is able to peel off Justice Gorsuch is one to be taken seriously, even if you don't agree with it (as I don't).
          I think we can shrug off 8, maybe 9 as partisan hacks. And Justice Gorsuch has made some mind-bottling (see The Life and Times of Cosmo Kramer, 2nd Ed., pp. 98-99) decisions in the last few years, which suggests that even he is not immune to brain rot.
          Ain't it like most people, I'm no different. We love to talk on things we don't know about.

          Dig your own grave, and save!

          "The only one of us who is so significant that Jeff owes us something simply because he decided to grace us with his presence is falafel." -- All-American

          "I know that you are one of the cool and 'edgy' BYU fans" -- Wally

          GIVE 'EM HELL, BRIGHAM!

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          • falafel
            loves to talk on things
            • Mar 2009
            • 38030

            #1265
            Originally posted by MartyFunkhouser View Post

            Well, except they want the predatory clause of the 2nd Amendment to be 100% ignored.
            There are many paths leading to the top of Mount Fuji.
            Ain't it like most people, I'm no different. We love to talk on things we don't know about.

            Dig your own grave, and save!

            "The only one of us who is so significant that Jeff owes us something simply because he decided to grace us with his presence is falafel." -- All-American

            "I know that you are one of the cool and 'edgy' BYU fans" -- Wally

            GIVE 'EM HELL, BRIGHAM!

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            • BlueK
              Senior Member
              • May 2011
              • 7226

              #1266

              Originally posted by Moliere View Post
              https://www.wsj.com/us-news/law/supr..._copyURL_share



              scotus for the win again! Funny how they keep piling up wins even and no one will give them credit for preserving democracy. It’s also funny how it’s trumps selected judges that tend to be more of the swing votes on crucial matters, although it sounds like they were all nine in agreement on this one.
              Good decision, and good for them for upholding Missouri law. However, fwiw I think we should remember that they caused this current climate of extreme partisan gerrymandering by refusing to rule a few years ago that it should not be allowed to be how districts are drawn. It would happen before but much less extreme and much more subtle. States used to at least give semi plausible reasons for drawing the lines the way they did and the partisanship wasn't to the ridiculous extent today that scotus opened the door to a few years ago.

              Now for my soapbox...gerrymandering is anti-democracy, anti-freedom, and a primary cause of a dysfunctional Congress and the extreme polarization we have today. Because if you represent a district where your party has no chance of ever losing because of how the lines are drawn, you have zero reason to ever listen to a constituent with different view. In fact, being open minded enough to listen to the other side is a great way to be primaried. And that's not what the Founders intended. It's great for advancing demagoguery and authoritarianism though.

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              • Maximus
                Senior Member
                • Sep 2009
                • 6041

                #1267
                lmao what a dumbass

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                • BlueK
                  Senior Member
                  • May 2011
                  • 7226

                  #1268
                  Originally posted by Maximus View Post
                  lmao what a dumbass

                  Yeah, it's hard for me to see how LGBT being allowed to marry hurts my freedom of religion.

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                  • Jeff Lebowski
                    Corporate lackey for Jesus
                    • Nov 2008
                    • 69811

                    #1269
                    Originally posted by BlueK View Post

                    Yeah, it's hard for me to see how LGBT being allowed to marry hurts my freedom of religion.
                    Very misleading headline. His take is more nuanced than that. He is talking about growing sentiment that certain sincere religious beliefs are increasingly being framed as bigotry.

                    "In dissent from that ruling," he said in the 2018 address, "I expressed my worry that equating the expression of certain views with bigotry -- or, if you like, with dignitary harm -- would drive believers out of public life."
                    In 2025, Alito said publicly that while he strongly opposes the ruling, he is "not suggesting that the decision should be overruled," even as fellow conservative Justice Clarence Thomas has openly urged his colleagues to do so.
                    "There is no creature more arrogant than a self-righteous libertarian on the web, am I right? Those folks are just intolerable."
                    "It's no secret that the great American pastime is no longer baseball. Now it's sanctimony." -- Guy Periwinkle, The Nix.
                    "Juilliardk N I ibuprofen Hyu I U unhurt u" - creekster

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                    • LVAllen
                      Senior Member
                      • Oct 2013
                      • 3301

                      #1270
                      Sincerely held religious beliefs are not immune from being bigoted, merely because they are sincerely held, or because they are related to religion.

                      The way you (the general you, not the specific JL You) express your belief in God can make you a bigoted asshole. Heaven knows we have plenty of examples of that in our own religious history.

                      If nothing else, this quote:
                      Nevertheless, Alito suggests in his book that the marriage decision has effectively silenced Americans whose sincere religious beliefs favor limiting unions to one man and one woman, likening them to Catholics who were sidelined in post-Reformation England.
                      should immediately cause raised eyebrows and a marked decrease in Alito's credibility. That decision has not silenced Americans who believe in limiting marriage. Those people's voices are just as loud then as they are now.

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                      • falafel
                        loves to talk on things
                        • Mar 2009
                        • 38030

                        #1271
                        Originally posted by LVAllen View Post
                        Sincerely held religious beliefs are not immune from being bigoted, merely because they are sincerely held, or because they are related to religion.

                        The way you (the general you, not the specific JL You) express your belief in God can make you a bigoted asshole. Heaven knows we have plenty of examples of that in our own religious history.

                        If nothing else, this quote:


                        should immediately cause raised eyebrows and a marked decrease in Alito's credibility. That decision has not silenced Americans who believe in limiting marriage. Those people's voices are just as loud then as they are now.
                        Agreed. Permitting others to exercise their own beliefs does not, and cannot, infringe another's rights to disagree with that belief. These are supposed to be our best legal minds for cripes sakes.
                        Ain't it like most people, I'm no different. We love to talk on things we don't know about.

                        Dig your own grave, and save!

                        "The only one of us who is so significant that Jeff owes us something simply because he decided to grace us with his presence is falafel." -- All-American

                        "I know that you are one of the cool and 'edgy' BYU fans" -- Wally

                        GIVE 'EM HELL, BRIGHAM!

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                        • frank ryan
                          Senior Member
                          • Nov 2008
                          • 12445

                          #1272
                          Thought this was interesting:


                          The Supreme Court ruled Wednesdaythat the Trump administration must continue providing gender-affirming care to transgender inmates in federal prisons.

                          The decision, in an emergency appeal, maintains a lower court's injunction on a federal Bureau of Prisons' policy that would terminate hormone therapy and other treatments for trans inmates.

                          The order offered no explanation behind the decision. It simply read, "The application for stay presented to The Chief Justice and by him referred to the Court is denied."

                          It also said Justices Clarence Thomas and Samuel Alito would side with the Trump administration and would grant the application for stay.



                          A federal district judge barred the BOP from implementing its policy this summer.

                          A second court, the U.S. Court of Appeals for the District of Columbia Circuit, also rejected the administration's request to pause U.S. District Judge Royce Lamberth's order.

                          That's when U.S. Solicitor General D. John Sauer asked the Supreme Court to intervene.

                          As the federal judge's injunction remains in place, the legal battle over the policy continues.

                          Li Nowlin-Sohl, senior staff attorney at the American Civil Liberties Union and a lawyer involved in this case, said the organization believes there are more than 2,000 people in BOP custody who identify as transgender. (The BOP stopped publishing data reflecting transgender inmates after Trump took office in 2025. It only records male or female individuals incarcerated in the federal system.)

                          Kingdom v. Trump represents 1,000 inmates who have a gender dysphoria diagnosis, Nowlin-Sohl explained. Of those, the ACLU believes there are about 800 who have been prescribed hormone therapy and many who are also receiving social transition accommodations, Nowlin-Sohl said.
                          ...



                          Access to gender-affirming care is considered medically necessary to treat gender dysphoria, a medical term used to describe the deep discomfort caused by a mismatch between a person's assigned sex at birth and their gender identity. Without it, individuals can struggle severely with mental health issues such as heightened anxiety and depression, with some turning to self-harm and suicide.



                          Some people who are transgender may require hormone therapy and gender-affirming surgeries; others may not require any of these interventions.

                          The BOP has treated people diagnosed with gender dysphoria since at least 1992, the ACLU said in response to the government's filings to the Supreme Court.

                          "Had BOP's doctors found this treatment unhelpful or harmful to patients or had the agency found that the treatment compromised security, surely BOP would have mentioned it in the administrative record," the ACLU wrote.

                          This is a "glaring omission" and appears to indicate that the government's arguments now are simply "contrived," the ACLU continued.


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                          The Supreme Court ruled Wednesday that the Trump administration has to continue providing gender-affirming care to inmates in federal prisons as litigation on efforts to change the policy continues.

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