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  • Pelado
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    Originally posted by All-American View Post
    Breakdown:

    The vote was 6-3, with Justices Roberts, Sotomayor, Kagan, Gorsuch, Barrett, and Jackson in the majority and Justices Thomas, Kavanaugh, and Alito dissenting.

    As stated in the majority opinion, the power to impose tariffs is a branch of the taxing power, and that power belongs to Congress. The authority on which the President relies to impose the tariffs comes from the International Emergency Economic Powers Act (IEEPA), which authorizes the President to “investigate, block during the pendency of an investigation, regulate, direct and compel, nullify, void, prevent or prohibit . . . importation or exportation.” §1702(a)(1)(B). The upshot of the opinion is this:



    Of all the things the President is authorized to do under IEEPA, Justice Roberts noted, there is no mention of tariffs or duties. "That omission is notable in light of the significant but specific powers Congress did go to the trouble of naming. It stands to reason that had Congress intended to convey the distinct and extraordinary power to impose tariffs, it would have done so expressly—as it consistently has in other tariff statutes. . . . When Congress grants the power to impose tariffs, it does so clearly and with careful constraints. It did neither here."

    There's a minor point that will be of interest to wonks like me, regarding the "major questions" doctrine. That doctrine expresses the idea that when Congress intends to do something really impactful, it will do so clearly. Justice Roberts (joined by Justices Gorsuch and Barrett) used the major questions doctrine to support the decision, and Justice Gorsuch wrote a concurrence encouraging that application (with Justice Barrett writing still another opinion just to critique Justice Gorsuch's opinion). But Justices Kagan, joined by Justices Sotomayor and Jackson, held that it was not necessary to invoke that doctrine and reached the same conclusion through ordinary statutory interpretation. Justice Gorsuch critiques that reticence, saying that they "all but apply the major questions doctrine" anyway, so we might as well say so. It's an interesting little twist that previews other battles to come over the extent of congressional delegation of authority; apparently, the three concurring Justices are wary of putting a thumb on the scale against Congress. And since that portion of the opinion did not garner six votes, it remains unendorsed.

    (Not that anyone who wasn't involved in drafting the opinions will know this for sure, but my bet is that the haggling over the "major questions" doctrine is the reason the opinion took as long to issue as it did.)

    Justice Jackson also wrote a concurring opinion stating that she thought it appropriate to rely on legislative history to see Congress's intent. That viewpoint has been falling out of style under pressure from textualists, so it's interesting to see it pop up again. Notably, no one else joined that opinion.

    The dissenters disagreed with the substance of the majority opinion, finding that the text of the statute does allow the President to impose tariffs as part of the regulation of importation. Of additional interest, Justice Kavanaugh's dissent predicted that the President would likely try to find another legislative vehicle to impose tariffs, with the result that "the Court's decision is not likely to greatly restrict Presidential tariff authority going forward." If that prediction holds true, we can expect President Trump to try again.

    Some of you may like this paragraph from the conclusion of Justice Gorsuch's concurrence:
    Thank you for that breakdown and analysis.

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  • chrisrenrut
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    Originally posted by BlueK View Post

    Agree with Gorsuch here. The current trend of Congress trying to hand all its power to the executive branch instead of doing its job is very troubling to me and is pushing us toward dictatorship.
    To paraphrase Lloyd Christmas:
    Hey, I guess the Supreme Court is right. Congress, although mostly impotent and corrupt, can still serve a purpose.

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  • BlueK
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    Originally posted by All-American View Post
    Breakdown:

    The vote was 6-3, with Justices Roberts, Sotomayor, Kagan, Gorsuch, Barrett, and Jackson in the majority and Justices Thomas, Kavanaugh, and Alito dissenting.

    As stated in the majority opinion, the power to impose tariffs is a branch of the taxing power, and that power belongs to Congress. The authority on which the President relies to impose the tariffs comes from the International Emergency Economic Powers Act (IEEPA), which authorizes the President to “investigate, block during the pendency of an investigation, regulate, direct and compel, nullify, void, prevent or prohibit . . . importation or exportation.” §1702(a)(1)(B). The upshot of the opinion is this:



    Of all the things the President is authorized to do under IEEPA, Justice Roberts noted, there is no mention of tariffs or duties. "That omission is notable in light of the significant but specific powers Congress did go to the trouble of naming. It stands to reason that had Congress intended to convey the distinct and extraordinary power to impose tariffs, it would have done so expressly—as it consistently has in other tariff statutes. . . . When Congress grants the power to impose tariffs, it does so clearly and with careful constraints. It did neither here."

    There's a minor point that will be of interest to wonks like me, regarding the "major questions" doctrine. That doctrine expresses the idea that when Congress intends to do something really impactful, it will do so clearly. Justice Roberts (joined by Justices Gorsuch and Barrett) used the major questions doctrine to support the decision, and Justice Gorsuch wrote a concurrence encouraging that application (with Justice Barrett writing still another opinion just to critique Justice Gorsuch's opinion). But Justices Kagan, joined by Justices Sotomayor and Jackson, held that it was not necessary to invoke that doctrine and reached the same conclusion through ordinary statutory interpretation. Justice Gorsuch critiques that reticence, saying that they "all but apply the major questions doctrine" anyway, so we might as well say so. It's an interesting little twist that previews other battles to come over the extent of congressional delegation of authority; apparently, the three concurring Justices are wary of putting a thumb on the scale against Congress. And since that portion of the opinion did not garner six votes, it remains unendorsed.

    (Not that anyone who wasn't involved in drafting the opinions will know this for sure, but my bet is that the haggling over the "major questions" doctrine is the reason the opinion took as long to issue as it did.)

    Justice Jackson also wrote a concurring opinion stating that she thought it appropriate to rely on legislative history to see Congress's intent. That viewpoint has been falling out of style under pressure from textualists, so it's interesting to see it pop up again. Notably, no one else joined that opinion.

    The dissenters disagreed with the substance of the majority opinion, finding that the text of the statute does allow the President to impose tariffs as part of the regulation of importation. Of additional interest, Justice Kavanaugh's dissent predicted that the President would likely try to find another legislative vehicle to impose tariffs, with the result that "the Court's decision is not likely to greatly restrict Presidential tariff authority going forward." If that prediction holds true, we can expect President Trump to try again.

    Some of you may like this paragraph from the conclusion of Justice Gorsuch's concurrence:
    Agree with Gorsuch here. The current trend of Congress trying to hand all its power to the executive branch instead of doing its job is very troubling to me and is pushing us toward dictatorship.

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  • Northwestcoug
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    Originally posted by All-American View Post
    Breakdown:

    Some of you may like this paragraph from the conclusion of Justice Gorsuch's concurrence:
    lol, for those in government who missed Schoolhouse rock cartoons.

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  • All-American
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    Breakdown:

    The vote was 6-3, with Justices Roberts, Sotomayor, Kagan, Gorsuch, Barrett, and Jackson in the majority and Justices Thomas, Kavanaugh, and Alito dissenting.

    As stated in the majority opinion, the power to impose tariffs is a branch of the taxing power, and that power belongs to Congress. The authority on which the President relies to impose the tariffs comes from the International Emergency Economic Powers Act (IEEPA), which authorizes the President to “investigate, block during the pendency of an investigation, regulate, direct and compel, nullify, void, prevent or prohibit . . . importation or exportation.” §1702(a)(1)(B). The upshot of the opinion is this:

    Based on two words separated by 16 others in Section 1702(a)(1)(B) of IEEPA—“regulate” and “importation”—the President asserts the independent power to impose tariffs on imports from any country, of any product, at any rate, for any amount of time. Those words cannot bear such weight.
    Of all the things the President is authorized to do under IEEPA, Justice Roberts noted, there is no mention of tariffs or duties. "That omission is notable in light of the significant but specific powers Congress did go to the trouble of naming. It stands to reason that had Congress intended to convey the distinct and extraordinary power to impose tariffs, it would have done so expressly—as it consistently has in other tariff statutes. . . . When Congress grants the power to impose tariffs, it does so clearly and with careful constraints. It did neither here."

    There's a minor point that will be of interest to wonks like me, regarding the "major questions" doctrine. That doctrine expresses the idea that when Congress intends to do something really impactful, it will do so clearly. Justice Roberts (joined by Justices Gorsuch and Barrett) used the major questions doctrine to support the decision, and Justice Gorsuch wrote a concurrence encouraging that application (with Justice Barrett writing still another opinion just to critique Justice Gorsuch's opinion). But Justices Kagan, joined by Justices Sotomayor and Jackson, held that it was not necessary to invoke that doctrine and reached the same conclusion through ordinary statutory interpretation. Justice Gorsuch critiques that reticence, saying that they "all but apply the major questions doctrine" anyway, so we might as well say so. It's an interesting little twist that previews other battles to come over the extent of congressional delegation of authority; apparently, the three concurring Justices are wary of putting a thumb on the scale against Congress. And since that portion of the opinion did not garner six votes, it remains unendorsed.

    (Not that anyone who wasn't involved in drafting the opinions will know this for sure, but my bet is that the haggling over the "major questions" doctrine is the reason the opinion took as long to issue as it did.)

    Justice Jackson also wrote a concurring opinion stating that she thought it appropriate to rely on legislative history to see Congress's intent. That viewpoint has been falling out of style under pressure from textualists, so it's interesting to see it pop up again. Notably, no one else joined that opinion.

    The dissenters disagreed with the substance of the majority opinion, finding that the text of the statute does allow the President to impose tariffs as part of the regulation of importation. Of additional interest, Justice Kavanaugh's dissent predicted that the President would likely try to find another legislative vehicle to impose tariffs, with the result that "the Court's decision is not likely to greatly restrict Presidential tariff authority going forward." If that prediction holds true, we can expect President Trump to try again.

    Some of you may like this paragraph from the conclusion of Justice Gorsuch's concurrence:

    For those who think it important for the Nation to impose more tariffs, I understand that today’s decision will be disappointing. All I can offer them is that most major decisions affecting the rights and responsibilities of the American people (including the duty to pay taxes and tariffs) are funneled through the legislative process for a reason. Yes, legislating can be hard and take time. And, yes, it can be tempting to bypass Congress when some pressing problem arises. But the deliberative nature of the legislative process was the whole point of its design. Through that process, the Nation can tap the combined wisdom of the people’s elected representatives, not just that of one faction or man. There, deliberation tempers impulse, and compromise hammers disagreements into workable solutions. And because laws must earn such broad support to survive the legislative process, they tend to endure, allowing ordinary people to plan their lives in ways they cannot when the rules shift from day to day. In all, the legislative process helps ensure each of us has a stake in the laws that govern us and in the Nation’s future. For some today, the weight of those virtues is apparent. For others, it may not seem so obvious. But if history is any guide, the tables will turn and the day will come when those disappointed by today’s result will appreciate the legislative process for the bulwark of liberty it is.

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  • All-American
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    Here is the decision:

    https://www.supremecourt.gov/opinion...-1287_4gcj.pdf

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  • BigPiney
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    Originally posted by Northwestcoug View Post
    Isn't Thomas the OG originalist? How did he square Trump's tariffs with the constitution?
    He is bought a paid for.

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  • falafel
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    Originally posted by Northwestcoug View Post
    Isn't Thomas the OG originalist? How did he square Trump's tariffs with the constitution?
    because: Trump

    Huge decision from SCOTUS. Trump is going to rage later on today.

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  • Northwestcoug
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    Isn't Thomas the OG originalist? How did he square Trump's tariffs with the constitution?

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  • USUC
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    BOOM

    Gorsuch and ACB are the best Justices and it's not particularly close.

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  • dabrockster
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    Alito has a book coming out in October. Rumors flying he may announcement his retirement soon.

    And if Alito wants to step down while Republicans control the Senate, he may not want to gamble on this year’s midterm elections.

    Republicans are expected to have a much easier time retaining the Senate than the House, but a loss can’t be ruled out. That would make it difficult for Trump to confirm a successor.

    Because Senate Republicans may not want to hold a confirmation hearing during the fall of an election year, Alito could announce in the next few weeks that he will step down at the end of the term, Strict Scrutiny co-host Kate Shaw speculated.

    Finally, Alito is coming out with a book in October, right as the court will be starting a new term.

    https://www.usatoday.com/story/news/...p/88710036007/

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  • dabrockster
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    Chief Justice Roberts laid down the law after all the recent leaks taking place..

    In November of 2024, two weeks after voters returned President Donald Trump to office, Chief Justice John G. Roberts Jr. summoned employees of the U.S. Supreme Court for an unusual announcement. Facing them in a grand conference room beneath ornate chandeliers, he requested they each sign a nondisclosure agreement promising to keep the court’s inner workings secret.

    The chief justice acted after a series of unusual leaks of internal court documents, most notably of the decision overturning the right to abortion, and news reports about ethical lapses by the justices. Trust in the institution was languishing at a historic low. Debate was intensifying over whether the black box institution should be more transparent.

    Instead, the chief justice tightened the court’s hold on information.Its employees have long been expected to stay silent about what they witness behind the scenes. But starting that autumn, in a move that has not been previously reported, the chief justice converted what was once a norm into a formal contract, according to five people familiar with the shift.

    Over the years, journalists and authors have sought to penetrate the court, and the justices have tried varying methods to guard its secrets. Some generations of clerks, but not others, said they were asked tosign a different kind of confidentiality pledge.
    “Many of the court’s decisions are being made out of the public eye in a way that makes it difficult to assess or criticize them, or to understand what actually motivated the justices,” he said. “The lack of transparency makes it difficult for the broader public to know how to respond.”

    He said it also allows the court to conceal weaknesses in its processes, including the justices’ reliance on clerks for legal reasoning and writing.

    “Many of the court’s decisions are being made out of the public eye in a way that makes it difficult to assess or criticize them, or to understand what actually motivated the justices,” he said. “The lack of transparency makes it difficult for the broader public to know how to respond.”

    He said it also allows the court to conceal weaknesses in its processes, including the justices’ reliance on clerks for legal reasoning and writing.

    “If the public were aware of how much of the deliberations affecting millions of people are made by 27-year-olds after happy hour, they’d be shocked,” he said.
    https://www.nytimes.com/2026/02/02/u...smid=url-share

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  • BlueK
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    Originally posted by dabrockster View Post
    3-months and counting. And still no ruling on the Tariffs. Would love to be a fly on the wall in these discussions..





    https://apnews.com/article/trump-tar...bab1af04a960df
    Ridiculous. The Constitution couldn't be more clear about who has the authority to institute new taxes, and it is not the president.

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  • dabrockster
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    3-months and counting. And still no ruling on the Tariffs. Would love to be a fly on the wall in these discussions..

    When the Supreme Court granted an unusually quick hearing over President Donald Trump’s tariffs, a similarly rapid resolution seemed possible.

    After all, Trump’s lawyers told the court that speed was of the essence on an issue central to the Republican president’s economic agenda. They pointed to a statement from Treasury Secretary Scott Bessent warning that the “longer a final ruling is delayed, the greater the risk of economic disruption.”

    But nearly three months have elapsed since arguments in the closely watched case, and the court isn’t scheduled to meet in public for more than three weeks.

    No one knows for sure what’s going on among the nine justices, several of whom expressed skepticism about the tariffs’ legality at arguments in November. But the timeline for deciding the case now looks more or less typical and could reflect the normal back-and-forth that occurs not just in the biggest cases but in almost all the disputes the justices hear.
    Several Supreme Court practitioners and law professors scoffed at the idea the justices are dragging their feet on tariffs, putting off a potentially uncomfortable ruling against Trump.

    “People suspect this kind of thing from time to time, but I am not aware of instances in which we have more than speculation,” said Jonathan Adler, a law professor at the College of William & Mary in Williamsburg, Virginia.

    The timeframe alone also doesn’t point to one outcome or the other.

    One possible explanation, said Carter Phillips, a lawyer with 91 arguments before the high court, “is that the court is more evenly divided than appeared to be the case at oral argument and the fifth vote is wavering.”

    Even if the majority opinion has been drafted and more or less agreed to by five or more members of the court, a separate opinion, probably in dissent, could slow things down, Phillips said.
    https://apnews.com/article/trump-tar...bab1af04a960df

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  • LVAllen
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    Originally posted by dabrockster View Post

    Looks like the WH is looking for contingency plans to keep the Tariffs in place
    Literally governing by the Ferengi Rules of Acquisition. Rule number 1: "Once you have their money, you never give it back."

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